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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#41 » Thu Oct 16, 2025 8:29 pm

How is the fact that the OP is talking about the total damage before all mitigation going over so many heads?

Onlymelee broke down the formula. I'd guess he also had a 15% signal flare debuff. 3 lines isn't enough to see what's going on in any case.

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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#42 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:02 am

Illuminati wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2025 2:39 pm
Additional request: investigate the armor debuff effect on ASW / MSH, since something seems off in how it's being applied making these characters squishy.
As far as I recall the debuff is applied before stance buff. Basically resulting in double debuff in practice. It is intended behaviour back when it was introduced.
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normanis
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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#43 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:35 pm

that 2h wp has nice gear. i am prety sure he know how to play his wp.
p.s u didnt show debuffs on u in that time for full pic.
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Vraal
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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#44 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 10:07 pm

How's WPs Warband AOE dmg when compared to other melee DDs?
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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#45 » Sat Oct 18, 2025 5:49 am

normanis wrote: Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:35 pm that 2h wp has nice gear. i am prety sure he know how to play his wp.
p.s u didnt show debuffs on u in that time for full pic.
Pretty sure that WP knows how to auto-attacks yeah

SZ244663
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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#46 » Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:06 pm

leftayparxoun wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 7:49 am Let's run some numbers.

A usual BIS 2hWP build (5 Warlord - 4 Vic) + 2 pc Genesis reaches 876 STR (1026 buffed) and also has 99 (Warlord 5pc) + 60 (Bloodlord) + 18 (Vic gloves) + 36 (genesis piece) = 213 melee Power. All in all, their DB will be (1026+213)/5 = 247.8

The AA damage formula before modifications is (wDps + 0.50*DB)*wSpeed
That number is then multiplied by both the Dmg% bonus (25% from Divine Fury tactic and 5% from Bloodlord weapon) and by the AA dmg% bonus (25% from EDIT: Beacon of Courage tactic and potentially another 25% from an IB's Blood of Grimnir).
  • No IB buff:
    (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 1409
  • With IB buff:
    (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1691
Even if we consider unconventional build adjustments from the WP's side, we still can't reach 1778:

Usually 2hWPs have crit talismans in the 3rd Jewelry slot and use linis offering crit (usually TOU+crit).
Swapping out the crit talisman to a +54 Melee Power tali and the liniment to Inevitable Tempest (STR +Melee Power) while also under an IB buff, we get:
(82.6 + 0.50*266.2)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 906 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1766

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As we can see, we are still off from the observed 1778 AA hit even with an IB buffed regular or unconventional BIS 2hWP.
But in this case, the 2h WP in question is not even in BIS gear (Warlord-Bloodlord mix). So something else is at play here.

The difference can be explained in the following ways:
  • An incoming dmg tanken increase% on the target:
    E.g. from an Engi's Signal Flare or from a BW's 7pc Warlord proc
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  • A warcamp buff/debuff:
    Another commenter seems to imply that was the case and it could certainly explain the dmg increase.
Where are you getting these formulas from?

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Re: This attack strikes a direct blow to your mind

Post#47 » Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:17 pm

SZ244663 wrote: Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:06 pm
leftayparxoun wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 7:49 am Let's run some numbers.
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Where are you getting these formulas from?
The AA damage formula is a result from testing & analyzing how AAs work.

The damage bonus formula is readily available (I believe also on the wiki) and is, for Strength-based classes:
DB = (Strength + Melee Power)/5
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