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[shoelessHN]

How is the fact that the OP is talking about the total damage before all mitigation going over so many heads?

Onlymelee broke down the formula. I'd guess he also had a 15% signal flare debuff. 3 lines isn't enough to see what's going on in any case.

[Nekkma]

Additional request: investigate the armor debuff effect on ASW / MSH, since something seems off in how it's being applied making these characters squishy.

As far as I recall the debuff is applied before stance buff. Basically resulting in double debuff in practice. It is intended behaviour back when it was introduced.

[normanis]

that 2h wp has nice gear. i am prety sure he know how to play his wp.
p.s u didnt show debuffs on u in that time for full pic.

[Vraal]

How's WPs Warband AOE dmg when compared to other melee DDs?

[Forbiddian]

that 2h wp has nice gear. i am prety sure he know how to play his wp.
p.s u didnt show debuffs on u in that time for full pic.

Pretty sure that WP knows how to auto-attacks yeah

[SZ244663]

Let's run some numbers.

A usual BIS 2hWP build (5 Warlord - 4 Vic) + 2 pc Genesis reaches 876 STR (1026 buffed) and also has 99 (Warlord 5pc) + 60 (Bloodlord) + 18 (Vic gloves) + 36 (genesis piece) = 213 melee Power. All in all, their DB will be (1026+213)/5 = 247.8

The AA damage formula before modifications is (wDps + 0.50*DB)*wSpeed
That number is then multiplied by both the Dmg% bonus (25% from Divine Fury tactic and 5% from Bloodlord weapon) and by the AA dmg% bonus (25% from EDIT: Beacon of Courage tactic and potentially another 25% from an IB's Blood of Grimnir).

• No IB buff:
  (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 1409

• With IB buff:
  (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1691

Even if we consider unconventional build adjustments from the WP's side, we still can't reach 1778:

Usually 2hWPs have crit talismans in the 3rd Jewelry slot and use linis offering crit (usually TOU+crit).
Swapping out the crit talisman to a +54 Melee Power tali and the liniment to Inevitable Tempest (STR +Melee Power) while also under an IB buff, we get:
(82.6 + 0.50*266.2)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 906 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1766

Close but no ciggar

As we can see, we are still off from the observed 1778 AA hit even with an IB buffed regular or unconventional BIS 2hWP.
But in this case, the 2h WP in question is not even in BIS gear (Warlord-Bloodlord mix). So something else is at play here.

The difference can be explained in the following ways:

• An incoming dmg tanken increase% on the target:
  E.g. from an Engi's Signal Flare or from a BW's 7pc Warlord proc
  

• A warcamp buff/debuff:
  Another commenter seems to imply that was the case and it could certainly explain the dmg increase.

Where are you getting these formulas from?

[leftayparxoun]

Let's run some numbers.
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Where are you getting these formulas from?

The AA damage formula is a result from testing & analyzing how AAs work.

The damage bonus formula is readily available (I believe also on the wiki) and is, for Strength-based classes:
DB = (Strength + Melee Power)/5

[Illuminati]

Let's run some numbers.
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Where are you getting these formulas from?

The AA damage formula is a result from testing & analyzing how AAs work.

The damage bonus formula is readily available (I believe also on the wiki) and is, for Strength-based classes:
DB = (Strength + Melee Power)/5

Onlymelee, thanks again for all the testing you do, the spreadsheet (E&C), etc. for the community. It really helps to demystify what happens behind the scenes.

A big favor would be a testing request. Due to some recent observations around armor debuffs, most likely due to the overall armor nerfs, there is some misinformation (or could be as a result of old code sneaking its way back in the update) on armor debuffs on MSH and ASW triggering a double debuff. You had done this test 5-6 months ago. If you're able to test and confirm it's a double armor debuff, I could submit the bug request.

Thanks and no worries if you're too busy, etc.

[leftayparxoun]

A big favor would be a testing request. Due to some recent observations around armor debuffs, most likely due to the overall armor nerfs, there is some misinformation (or could be as a result of old code sneaking its way back in the update) on armor debuffs on MSH and ASW triggering a double debuff. You had done this test 5-6 months ago. If you're able to test and confirm it's a double armor debuff, I could submit the bug request.

Thanks and no worries if you're too busy, etc.

From what I remember it worked the same way as it did for all classes. As in, a 1600 armor debuff stayed 1600 and was not doubled to 3200.

It made sense to me since the Squig Armor/Assault Stance tooltips mention that your armor is increased by "the amount of armor gained from items". The amount of armor gained from items depends only on the items. The armor strips just deduct their value from your total armor value and do not affect your gear.

It should be easy to test if it still works the same today. Just get a MSH and a WL on PTS (or aSW and Mara) and do .getstats before and after the armor strip has been applied.

Personally I'm not playing ROR too often lately but, if I manage to convince a friend to help me, I will try to test it sometime next week. If you get it tested before I reply here, feel free to quote this message or dm via forums.