Why initiative debuffs from WH bullets stack?

[Battlefield]

Why initiative debuffs or bullets from WH stack? WH+WH or WH+SW (knockdown ability not tactic) etc. My default initiative 209 but after 2 such debuffs my initiative dropped to 47, i saw it and this is noticeable by the increase in the frequency of critical hits. My crit reduction is 28%. There were also questions about other debuffs. it would be nice to check aura resistance debuff with other, does it stack or not (I know it was fixed a couple of years ago).

https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/20706

[lemao]

Abilities don´t stack. So 2 iniative debuffs from 1 wh each should not stack (The highest gets applied).
Abilities only stack with tactics and morales. For example zealot m1 armor debuff stacks with zealot armor debuff tactic + marauder armor debuff (Morale + tactic + ability).

[CyunUnderis]

Did you check your initiative thanks to the command .getstats or with the character window ?

Like @lemao said, two debuff from abilities should not stack. If that's the case because you checked it with .getstats, you recorded the moment or screenshoted combat logs with timestamp, maybe you can open a bug report.

[Battlefield]

Did you check your initiative thanks to the command .getstats or with the character window ?

Like @lemao said, two debuff from abilities should not stack. If that's the case because you checked it with .getstats, you recorded the moment or screenshoted combat logs with timestamp, maybe you can open a bug report.

In combat .getstats command does not work ! But i am sure it stacks because i get more criticals hits while my char debuffed from more than 1 WH. I wanted to make a screenshot and was looking for other players but found only 1 and for test need at least 2

[rejndjer]

abilities also stack with armor set bonuses. rdps(engie and sw) have certain sets that give bonus chance to steal initiative from target. my guess is this is what happened to OP, one initiative debuff from ability and other from armor set.

[forsa]

abilities also stack with armor set bonuses. rdps(engie and sw) have certain sets that give bonus chance to steal initiative from target. my guess is this is what happened to OP, one initiative debuff from ability and other from armor set.

No, abilities on sets are considered "skills".
This can be easily checked on SW who has ini debuff on his range KD and Bestlord/Conq/HV sets.

[CyunUnderis]

In combat .getstats command does not work !

It does, but you need to untarget the enemy.

abilities also stack with armor set bonuses. rdps(engie and sw) have certain sets that give bonus chance to steal initiative from target. my guess is this is what happened to OP, one initiative debuff from ability and other from armor set.

I guess it will depends of the bonuses, but to me it should not stack. For example, Triumphant/Vanquisher 4p proc on attack does not stack with +% parry skill like Suppression. Same for the proc from weapon like Hand of Mahal that gives a %parry on defense.
So in theory, it should not stack, because it should be considered like a skill.

[rejndjer]

abilities also stack with armor set bonuses. rdps(engie and sw) have certain sets that give bonus chance to steal initiative from target. my guess is this is what happened to OP, one initiative debuff from ability and other from armor set.

I guess it will depends of the bonuses, but to me it should not stack. For example, Triumphant/Vanquisher 4p proc on attack does not stack with +% parry skill like Suppression. Same for the proc from weapon like Hand of Mahal that gives a %parry on defense.
So in theory, it should not stack, because it should be considered like a skill.

i dont know if it should or should not stack, i'm just saying that it IS stacking. if you have engie/sw/sh with that armor set proc go and check it out

[Battlefield]

I does not matter, even if untarget the enemy while the fight continues .getstats command does not work

[CyunUnderis]

abilities also stack with armor set bonuses. rdps(engie and sw) have certain sets that give bonus chance to steal initiative from target. my guess is this is what happened to OP, one initiative debuff from ability and other from armor set.

I guess it will depends of the bonuses, but to me it should not stack. For example, Triumphant/Vanquisher 4p proc on attack does not stack with +% parry skill like Suppression. Same for the proc from weapon like Hand of Mahal that gives a %parry on defense.
So in theory, it should not stack, because it should be considered like a skill.

i dont know if it should or should not stack, i'm just saying that it IS stacking. if you have engie/sw/sh with that armor set proc go and check it out

Did you test it ? I don't have this kind of characters, but if you have a SW with Beastlords/Conqueror set, feel free to PM me to test it.