[AM/Shaman] Aoe detaunt too strong?

[Sulorie]

Could you please stop making "nerf this and that"-posts every time you die in pvp?
If you think for a second you might guess, why a class with 4,5+ k armor doesn't need 10s aoe detaunt.
Why bw/sorc don't have it? They opted for more damage in exchange for defenses.


@Valarion: aoe detaunt for both classes is 10sec. the secondary effects of both skills appear in your own buff bar, here AM got only 5sec duration.

I understand why they need aoe detaunt, but why also they have second detaunt with separated cd? Allows do burst and detaunt again.
Ok i stop posting on forum now. No constructive anyway.

You don't burst and detaunt. All their dots are cut in half anyway, the moment they detaunt you.

[Telther]

Could you please stop making "nerf this and that"-posts every time you die in pvp?
If you think for a second you might guess, why a class with 4,5+ k armor doesn't need 10s aoe detaunt.
Why bw/sorc don't have it? They opted for more damage in exchange for defenses.


@Valarion: aoe detaunt for both classes is 10sec. the secondary effects of both skills appear in your own buff bar, here AM got only 5sec duration.

I understand why they need aoe detaunt, but why also they have second detaunt with separated cd? Allows do burst and detaunt again.
Ok i stop posting on forum now. No constructive anyway.

We could only wish….

[hriam123]

Almost dead forum anyway, all good discusions only on discord. Have fun

[pvprangergod]

because the people behind the balance changes are really bad at the game and have never played in any serious competitive or organised warband setting, let alone small scale group that knows what its doing. imagine taking a random player from PUG scenarios who bitches they can't kill a healer while not assisting anyone and not even having a healdebuff themselves, thats your average balance team member right there.

[pvprangergod]

Why ranged dps spec have 2! detaunts, one of them AoE? All ranged dps in game have only 1 detaunt and he is single target. Why WP/DoK aoe detaunt requares tactic and nerfed to 5 sec then? AM/Shaman have 10 without tactics.

The AoE detaunt for the AM/Sham is also set to 5 seconds with a 30 sec CD which is in a good place right now. The WP/Dok change was likely done to correct some issues in small scale play and the fact they can be harder to kill with 1500 to 2000 more armor. That being said, the adjustments to the Dok/WP AoE detaunt were probably overly harsh.

Regardless, healers (even dps healers) really do not need anymore nerfs right now.

its 10 seconds, and they have 3 detaunts total. please learn to play. the dok/wp change was done because the realm champ/balance team are clueless PUGs who have literally never played small scale play LET ALONE know how to balance it.

[Rydiak]

Why ranged dps spec have 2! detaunts, one of them AoE? All ranged dps in game have only 1 detaunt and he is single target. Why WP/DoK aoe detaunt requares tactic and nerfed to 5 sec then? AM/Shaman have 10 without tactics.

The AoE detaunt for the AM/Sham is also set to 5 seconds with a 30 sec CD which is in a good place right now. The WP/Dok change was likely done to correct some issues in small scale play and the fact they can be harder to kill with 1500 to 2000 more armor. That being said, the adjustments to the Dok/WP AoE detaunt were probably overly harsh.

Regardless, healers (even dps healers) really do not need anymore nerfs right now.

its 10 seconds, and they have 3 detaunts total. please learn to play. the dok/wp change was done because the realm champ/balance team are clueless PUGs who have literally never played small scale play LET ALONE know how to balance it.

Well that's not very cash money of you to say.

[pvprangergod]

there is zero argument to have needed to change WP/Dok detaunt. here the basic arguments are laid out and obliterated by one of the best healers on the server: https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum ... 95&t=45337

[Kaeldrick]

It's not because you can't see the reason that there's no reason at all.

WP/DoK already have better chances to survive when caught, giving also more time for tank to switch guard and connect.

Cd on detaunt is 15sec, duration was 15sec and with tactic it worked in AoE => 100% detaunt uptime in AoE. Neither Shaman nor AMs could ever do that, even with CD reduction buff (duration 10sec, cd is 30sec).

You cross this with DoK/WP armor, instant/fast casts only, auto healing/shielding tactics and there you go unkillable healer.

Before yelling and being agressive, please read tooltips/posts carefully. Thank you.

Btw, in that link :
"Balance changes should not mean mirroring classes, either between the factions or between archetypes."
Well ok... not my point of view. The whole post lies on his personal opinion about what balance should or should not be.

Then I've read that :
"Shaman have the following advantages over dok: sticky feets, more cast on the move abilities, run away, auto detaunt, a punt that isn't parried by mdps easily"

Talking about parrying Shaman's punt? REALLY? That's a spell, you disrupt or block it. I've stopped reading there. And since that post (05/25/2021) Shaman has been nerfed a lot, AM a bit less.

[Sulorie]

Talking about parrying Shaman's punt? REALLY? That's a spell, you disrupt or block it.

The point here was, that classes you want to knockback, e.g. melee DD and DPS tanks, have more parry than disrupt, so shaman aoe kb is better. Additional it has a small snare component and works 360°, therefore it is more reliable.

There were other arguments in that proposal to aim at. Overall it wasn't convincing.

[Kpi]

Why ranged dps spec have 2! detaunts, one of them AoE? All ranged dps in game have only 1 detaunt and he is single target. Why WP/DoK aoe detaunt requares tactic and nerfed to 5 sec then? AM/Shaman have 10 without tactics.

Don't forget Shamman have 3 Detaunts, not 2.

This autodetaunt tactic is the most OP tactic of the game, a shamman can scape from a full WB easily