[AM/Shaman] Aoe detaunt too strong?

[hriam123]

Why ranged dps spec have 2! detaunts, one of them AoE? All ranged dps in game have only 1 detaunt and he is single target. Why WP/DoK aoe detaunt requares tactic and nerfed to 5 sec then? AM/Shaman have 10 without tactics.

[Kaeldrick]

Play a Shaman/AM and you may understand why

[hriam123]

Play a Shaman/AM and you may understand why

Thx for detailed answer. Its fine for heal spec, but ranged dps? Why not add second aoe detaunt to BW/Sorc for example? They have weak defences too.

[Kaeldrick]

Yes but they also have different controls too, I don't really play rDPS a lot tbh. Maybe I should try myself

[Valarion]

Why ranged dps spec have 2! detaunts, one of them AoE? All ranged dps in game have only 1 detaunt and he is single target. Why WP/DoK aoe detaunt requares tactic and nerfed to 5 sec then? AM/Shaman have 10 without tactics.

The AoE detaunt for the AM/Sham is also set to 5 seconds with a 30 sec CD which is in a good place right now. The WP/Dok change was likely done to correct some issues in small scale play and the fact they can be harder to kill with 1500 to 2000 more armor. That being said, the adjustments to the Dok/WP AoE detaunt were probably overly harsh.

Regardless, healers (even dps healers) really do not need anymore nerfs right now.

[Sulorie]

Could you please stop making "nerf this and that"-posts every time you die in pvp?
If you think for a second you might guess, why a class with 4,5+ k armor doesn't need 10s aoe detaunt.
Why bw/sorc don't have it? They opted for more damage in exchange for defenses.


@Valarion: aoe detaunt for both classes is 10sec. the secondary effects of both skills appear in your own buff bar, here AM got only 5sec duration.

[Valarion]

Could you please stop making "nerf this and that"-posts every time you die in pvp?
If you think for a second you might guess, why a class with 4,5+ k armor doesn't need 10s aoe detaunt.
Why bw/sorc don't have it? They opted for more damage in exchange for defenses.


@Valarion: aoe detaunt for both classes is 10sec. the secondary effects of both skills appear in your own buff bar, here AM got only 5sec duration.

I think we are saying the same thing, but just to be certain: AM AoE detaunt is only 5 seconds. ST is 15 seconds. Wp/Dok AoE detaunt should also only be 5 seconds only.

https://imgur.com/eksyw3j

[Bavradai]

AM's and Shammies particularly have received nerf after nerf after nerf after bloody nerf.
Stop mindlessly calling for nerfs for classes because you met a good one or a well supported one.

[Sulorie]

Could you please stop making "nerf this and that"-posts every time you die in pvp?
If you think for a second you might guess, why a class with 4,5+ k armor doesn't need 10s aoe detaunt.
Why bw/sorc don't have it? They opted for more damage in exchange for defenses.


@Valarion: aoe detaunt for both classes is 10sec. the secondary effects of both skills appear in your own buff bar, here AM got only 5sec duration.

I think we are saying the same thing, but just to be certain: AM AoE detaunt is only 5 seconds. ST is 15 seconds. Wp/Dok AoE detaunt should also only be 5 seconds only.

https://imgur.com/eksyw3j

No, I am afraid we don't mean the same.
What you see with the buff is the 2nd effect - in AM case a setback-immunity for 5 sec. Shaman has a disrupt buff for 10sec as 2nd effect. Both aoe detaunts last 10 sec. Arguably they need it with their low defenses compared to other heal classes.
ST is 15sec, yes.

WP/Dok aoe detaunt (with tactic, if using book/chalice) lasts 5sec only since the recent nerf. Tbh, it doesn't need to be longer with their high armor values.

[hriam123]

Could you please stop making "nerf this and that"-posts every time you die in pvp?
If you think for a second you might guess, why a class with 4,5+ k armor doesn't need 10s aoe detaunt.
Why bw/sorc don't have it? They opted for more damage in exchange for defenses.


@Valarion: aoe detaunt for both classes is 10sec. the secondary effects of both skills appear in your own buff bar, here AM got only 5sec duration.

I understand why they need aoe detaunt, but why also they have second detaunt with separated cd? Allows do burst and detaunt again.
Ok i stop posting on forum now. No constructive anyway.