do we have a balance problem?

[emiliorv]

The CD increaser is nullified by all the cooldown decreasers Destro have => or the CD reducers destro have to counter the cd increser? what was first?
discipline its around +12% (at least on destro healers, can be +/- depending the class and the spell), but still have access to ED+Discipline (dropping fueled actions for example)

Besides that, since your CD decreasers are also superior you get to spam 0 CD cure on DOK all day long.

you smoking again bro? dok heals have no cd (same as wp) the only one with cd its not affected by cd reducers (same as wp)

[piekser]

-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player

It is a incoming heal buff
It is a tactic
It cost 8 mastery points

Its outgoing
its a core tactic (costs nothing)

learn about your realm

ahh you talking about exalted defenses. It is not easy to take valid informations out of you text when you dont give names from tactics and abilitys you talk about. Thought you talk about focused mending. But no problem i fix that for you.

It only proc on disrupt parry or dodge so for sure not 100% uptime (I play this class and know what i am talking about)
It is a tactic
Outgoing yes on a class that has 2 direct heals that work outside of the grp

-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)

- Destru have access to unique AOEwounds debuff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order is running around with -750 hp)

BG its not a core class
A debuff needs to be applied and have a limited duration => 10 s in this case, while buff duration its 1h
1 bg cant debuff a whole grp unless you are stacked in melee range

I talk about choosen blast wave duration 20 cd 15

what should i say to that? Learn about your realm maybe?

btw i play both sides

[emiliorv]

you have 2 stack able and ready to use when order has 1 clunky and at one of least played class (cleansed or not does not matter, all of them can be cleansed but destro just bc simple statistic still has big advantage in that department).

Shatter is a option to destro but not to order.....order buffs are trash because (somehow) destro managed to shatter anyhting, instead destro buffs are op because (somehow) order cant shatter them...

Learn how shatters work. The earliest buff gets knocked out first, so WP wounds buff is the first Blessing that will go after a RP Rune

well now tell me how in the hell a rampage buff can be shattered hidden behind all these long-time buffs?

[CeeJay89]

Shatter is a option to destro but not to order.....order buffs are trash because (somehow) destro managed to shatter anyhting, instead destro buffs are op because (somehow) order cant shatter them...

Learn how shatters work. The earliest buff gets knocked out first, so WP wounds buff is the first Blessing that will go after a RP Rune

well now tell me how in the hell a rampage buff can be shattered hidden behind all these long-time buffs?

Because Rampage is...an Enchantment? Also CD reducers mean spammable sever.

[piekser]

Shatter is a option to destro but not to order.....order buffs are trash because (somehow) destro managed to shatter anyhting, instead destro buffs are op because (somehow) order cant shatter them...

Learn how shatters work. The earliest buff gets knocked out first, so WP wounds buff is the first Blessing that will go after a RP Rune

well now tell me how in the hell a rampage buff can be shattered hidden behind all these long-time buffs?

maybe not start to shatter when you see rampage buff? start befor that?

[emiliorv]

ahh you talking about exalted defenses. It is not easy to take valid informations out of you text when you dont give names from tactics and abilitys you talk about. Thought you talk about focused mending. But no problem i fix that for you.

It only proc on disrupt parry or dodge so for sure not 100% uptime (I play this class and know what i am talking about)
It is a tactic
Outgoing yes on a class that has 2 direct heals that work outside of the grp

Spoiler:

-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)

- Destru have access to unique AOEwounds debuff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order is running around with -750 hp)

BG its not a core class
A debuff needs to be applied and have a limited duration => 10 s in this case, while buff duration its 1h
1 bg cant debuff a whole grp unless you are stacked in melee range

I talk about choosen blast wave duration 20 cd 15

what should i say to that? Learn about your realm maybe?

btw i play both sides

Yup my fault

Outgoing yes on a class that has 2 direct heals that work outside of the grp => ?? +20% outgoing means that all your heals are +20% stronger...outside grp means nothing

[Charon]

Besides that, since your CD decreasers are also superior you get to spam 0 CD cure on DOK all day long.

i would say we forgot about this aspect. General lack of sm with ww makes access to aoe cleanse much harder for order at both wp and am. For example ... wp cleansing power tc is almost obsolete if you don't have sm in pt which is common (taking consideration a scarce amount of sm-s in the game).

The same is with fuelled fury. With out sm in pt you simply cannot skip this tc bc single smite every 5 sek will not provide you enough furry to go. So in reverse , dok in pt with bo and choppa might be in much better situation (have more tc slots open) than wp in pt with out sm and might have easier access to easy furry regen.

[teiloh]

The CD increaser is nullified by all the cooldown decreasers Destro have => or the CD reducers destro have to counter the cd increser? what was first?
discipline its around +12% (at least on destro healers, can be +/- depending the class and the spell), but still have access to ED+Discipline (dropping fueled actions for example)

Besides that, since your CD decreasers are also superior you get to spam 0 CD cure on DOK all day long.

you smoking again bro? dok heals have no cd (same as wp) the only one with cd its not affected by cd reducers (same as wp)

Cure/cleanse, not heals. English.

[teiloh]

i would say we forgot about this aspect. General lack of sm with ww makes access to aoe cleanse much harder for order at both wp and am. For example ... wp cleansing power tc is almost obsolete if you don't have sm in pt which is common (taking consideration a scarce amount of sm in the game). The same is with fuelled fury. With out sm in pt you simply cannot skip this tc. So in reverse for doc in pt with bo and chopa might be in much better situation (have more tc slots open) than wp in pt with out sm.

Yep and DOK cleanse targets every single Order DPS except WL, which is not much of a debuffer. WP can't cure SH/WE/Mara, and Mara is a major debuffer.

[teiloh]

Shatter is a option to destro but not to order.....order buffs are trash because (somehow) destro managed to shatter anyhting, instead destro buffs are op because (somehow) order cant shatter them...

Learn how shatters work. The earliest buff gets knocked out first, so WP wounds buff is the first Blessing that will go after a RP Rune

well now tell me how in the hell a rampage buff can be shattered hidden behind all these long-time buffs?

Because Rampage is an Enchantment, which is different from a Blessing.

Do you even play this game?