What is needed for decend bags as healer?

[Hargrim]

Can we maybe get the view from devs on this? Is this wrking as intended or known and subject to some tweaks?
Sorry looked around on the forums and couldnt really find any usefull info on this except for other healers complaining how hard it is to get geared now

What is not working and what is an issue?

[Darosh]

Spoiler:

So pray to RNGesus I guess

One of the fanciest RNGesus memes I've yet seen.

[Mcz]

Can we maybe get the view from devs on this? Is this wrking as intended or known and subject to some tweaks?
Sorry looked around on the forums and couldnt really find any usefull info on this except for other healers complaining how hard it is to get geared now

What is not working and what is an issue?

Is it the way u intend the game to be to gear up a dps char in 3 weeks while healers have to buy the whole set? Thats what i understand is the most common scenario from reading forums and this thread.

Did u read my original post?

[Hargrim]

Can we maybe get the view from devs on this? Is this wrking as intended or known and subject to some tweaks?
Sorry looked around on the forums and couldnt really find any usefull info on this except for other healers complaining how hard it is to get geared now

What is not working and what is an issue?

Is it the way u intend the game to be to gear up a dps char in 3 weeks while healers have to buy the whole set? Thats what i understand is the most common scenario from reading forums and this thread.

Did u read my original post?

Do you have any data to prove this is really the case? Cose as it turns out, why would anyone lie / be missinformed on the Internet? That would be horrible.

From our PoV it works better. If we see fit we will adjust the system further, but we don't really believe 75% stuff that is said in game or written on the forums. Or if not 'we' than at least 'me'.

[Mcz]

Ok thanks for the reply

How could i actually provide the data? If u tell me how i will for sure.

[Hargrim]

Take a screenshot of each zone lock you participate in and show us here? Loot roll part.

[Sedok]

Do you have any data to prove this is really the case? Cose as it turns out, why would anyone lie / be missinformed on the Internet? That would be horrible.

From our PoV it works better. If we see fit we will adjust the system further, but we don't really believe 75% stuff that is said in game or written on the forums. Or if not 'we' than at least 'me'.

I find the tone of this post very off-putting. Putting a " / " between "lying" and "being misinformed" to imply that they are essentially the same thing, is extraordinarily dishonest; by definition the former is predicated on the intent to deceive, while the latter is excused based on the lack of same said intent. I can't think of reason why someone would lie about an experience with the new loot system, and them being misinformed is directly your fault for not providing adequate explanation of how the system works in the first place. On top of that, you make a passive-aggressive comment about it. What's your deal Hargrim?

No one in this thread is arguing that the loot system is worse than before; in fact, if you pay attention to the flow of conversation, you'll see people are concerned specifically with the disparity between the speed at which dps get loot bags compared to healers and tanks. You can end this conversation right now, by providing an answer as to whether that is statistically possible based on what you know of math. No one is talking about completely changing the system, just tweaking it if there is in fact a problem that needs fixing.

[Velze]

Hi Mcz!

Sorry to disappoint you , it is just all luck. You cant do anything about it. As a main heal also i know what is up, you need the will to suck trought it thats all.

[Sedok]

I didn't mean to directly address you with that, it was meant as a generalized tongue in cheek about pug/premade ~ my apologies.

BOs, Lord, Siege - all these things are relevant to contribution, they <seem> (note, all the things I am stating are based on observation on a wide range of R40/R50 characters; I am not a dev or have greater insight) to however be not rewarded 'as much' on the basis of player engagement.
Capping a BO, using Siege and clubbing a Lord are things that can take place without any PvP occuring whatsoever, all these things are basically meant to be hubs to faciliate PvP ~ the devs state that these things reward players with contribution, players flock to objectives, PvP ensues.
It is not a matter of scale either, there are plently of organized warbands around that only touch objectives if there are fights to be found, for good reason (imagine organizing +16 player [= x diffrent timezones], taking time off your busy day's schedule to meet up online.... to then just sit on flags and do PvE in empty/uncontested keeps in strict abidence to the rules of the campaign and large scale RvR).

If your argument revolves around choosing fights over progressing the campaign, then the entire scale related spin falls apart.
If your argument revolves around scale as a detriment to campaign progress, well... these 6-12mans are still picking off people that'd would otherwise, if left uncontested, reinforce whatever large forces are clashing, or poke BOs that'd go neglected - all the while drawing attention ( = pug warbands love chasing smaller numbers around, prompting them to neglect the marvelled objectives, too).

The current system rewards everyone for <just playing>, however it favors those that opt for player involvement - mind you, you, again, can still do all the things ganking 6mans do while in a full(y organized) warband, whilst sitting in/around a keep or other objectives.

Understood, maybe I took it too personally.

From my experience leading warbands, it always seems like the common 6-man roaming teams don't work with the main warband(s) actively trying to push the zone; they work for themselves, farming kills, coming to dps the Lord for contribution, and joining the AoE fest at keep defenses. The main work load still falls on (what is usually) a pug warband; they have to hold the keep, tank the Lord, take on opposing warbands, etc. Maybe I'm jaded from my experiences, but I've come to expect that when I'm leading a warband, its up to us to take the zone; you can not rely on the smaller groups to even perform basic assistance.

When I think about it, increasing the contribution to engaging with the RvR system poses more chances for potential abuse of the system. And since I don't have any solutions, I'll have to withdraw my previous criticism until I think through more.

[Hargrim]

What's your deal Hargrim?

Hi Mcz!

Sorry to disappoint you , it is just all luck. You cant do anything about it. As a main heal also i know what is up, you need the will to suck trought it thats all.

Gee, I wonder where my opinions come from.