SC with no healer

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xanderous
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#21 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:50 pm

Elemint wrote:
You're barking up the wrong tree, OP is Limdulgirl who did, in fact, make an effort to win
My bad, it was difficult to comprehend the original posters wording and i made the wrong assumption that he was the one who had gone afk, i'll remove the screenshot and edit my first response.
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Really, since when is there some rule that you must actively seek death against impossible odds in scenarios?

Some fights cannot be won, and AFAIK nothing forces people to feed the enemy if they know their chances of achieving any SC points is abysmal.
Doing suicide charges towards certain death sounds like a very stratagem.
There are plenty of opportunities to keep trying, even if it is to the purpose of simply gaining more points to gain another conqueror emblem. Also just because you have decided to abandon all hope, does not mean everyone else in the scenario has, to simplistically put it, if you are quitting, leave the scenario and take the quitter debuff, there is no excuse for going afk in a scenario.
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#22 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:46 pm

I'm sorry, but having been in that scenario there was simply no way we could have won. They had superior forces, healers, and were spawn camping us with the part. Most people had given up at that point, and to screenshot one person and single him out - as if he were deliberately going out of his way to AFK - is ridiculous.

The beauty of pug scenarios! =P
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#23 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:46 pm

My 2 cents on the matter: Whenever I play my WP, there are no tanks to establish a front line and destro melee destroys us. When I play my knight, there's either no healing so our line quickly crumbles, or none of the DPS knows what they're doing and we don't end up pressuring the right targets.

On top of which, the devs gave us a few weeks of actually useful melee healing during which my pug scenarios ran a lot more smoothly. Then they took it away, and I sat my WP back on the shelf.
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#24 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:53 pm

Every time I see a thread/ingame post complaining about the lack of healers or healing I can't help but wonder how often the complainer plays a healer...

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Re: SC with no healer

Post#25 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:06 pm

I won a Mourkain Temple yesterday where order had 3 healers and we had none although we had plenty of strong burst DPS which negated the ability of the healers and 4 tanks who cycled the orb when they died. Had a few close moments though with near complete group wipes and when an order picked it up! (Luckily not a tank so we just burst them down and picked it up again).
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#26 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:23 pm

There are plenty of opportunities to keep trying, even if it is to the purpose of simply gaining more points to gain another conqueror emblem. Also just because you have decided to abandon all hope, does not mean everyone else in the scenario has, to simplistically put it, if you are quitting, leave the scenario and take the quitter debuff, there is no excuse for going afk in a scenario

go afk is enter the sc and do anything and wait the other win and give you point
wait the end of sc after are dead 2 or 3 time and try to win is not go afk
the sc need to take one item impossible to take on that situation
the player are wait no moore 3 min
if you dont like the play of other go out you, wait 10 min for debuff and join an other sc
or make a premade
in the successive sc i have played whit the same people have tell i do a screenshot and make a report
they have take 1 point and 1 emblem only because i have take an orb in solo and a healer have heal me
they have fitgh for nothing
but i dont have tell or write any comment
is only have rispect of the other
is only a game
don't stress other player
your visoin is not ever the same of the other ally
excuse for bad english
same people hate if there are not perfect
try you to comunicate whit an other Language is not the your
make a discussion whit me whit my Language is not the same
think before to make a decision on the other player
i don't hate any people
i wait to win next sc whit you but don't stress me for a game
for stress there are just the work
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xanderous
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#27 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:01 pm

Torquemadra wrote:Matchmaker matches sides but there is no system to force people to accept the pops, they may be engaged in orvr or even away from the PC, then you end up getting what you get.

A weaker side can still make gains in many objective based scenarios, maw of madness as an example I will sneak out, grab and orb then sneak around the unpopular side close to the spawn and hold it, if my side isnt clueless someone else will be rdy to pick it up when i die. The onus is then on the other side to find us as opposed to spawn camp.

Point is, if you have to have a healer get a premade or play a healer and this goes for any class, you get a terrible match up then you have to think outside the box (box being herp derp run in and mash) to salvage what you can.
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#28 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:02 pm

maybe people should try a different approach at the game ( change the meta maybe) ... People tend to be like sheeps in SC , as soon as it starts everybody run in same direction as soon as they see an enemy ( no matter the class) , they start clicking ! for the healer problem...instead of focusing the 2 guys in front row with shield , why dont u just run past them and go straight to their healers in the back ? you know , communicating (/whisper) with the Wh(or it s equivalent on destro) and tell them to sneak to their healer is not a bad idea . if u cant beat them fairly , then trick them . But no , people will still all run in front line and stand mid and click their damn button .
P.S. i noticed that every class in the game have a self heal ability , might not heal big at the begining , but i think with the right combination ( maybe add a lil willpower talisman) it can make u survive more ( i am testing something , if it looks promising , i ll present it to you) . WE CANNOT BE HEALER OR TANK DEPENDANT IN A GAME WHERE NO BODY WANNA COOPERATE OR USE THEIR BRAIN .

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peterthepan3
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#29 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:06 pm

lilsabin wrote: WE CANNOT BE HEALER OR TANK DEPENDANT IN A GAME WHERE NO BODY WANNA COOPERATE OR USE THEIR BRAIN .

That's a player fault, not a game mechanic fault.
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Re: SC with no healer

Post#30 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:10 pm

Healers are just OP and game depend the most from them. The best idea is nerf their healing abilities and upgrade self heal another classes and reduce CD healing potions.

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