Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?

[zazie]

Well that's what I was saying, just wondering why people think gear is magically going to break the double dok meta and somehow makes dok/zealot the best setup.

Not everyone hides in the WC till their Meta group is online, but many premades do. People play what they want to play. Which is why it's silly not to build up the other 4 healers to compete with the WP/DOK. Besides, to even think a 6man is the "Best" because they run the FOTM meta Build is basically what most guild groups try to achieve, when in reality if you held a 6v6 tournament and the rule was no duplicate classes, you'd see the shortcomings of the so called "elite players" in mere moments.

The problem is with the current state of gear that makes the Meta so common and used, because in the early parts of war, that was the Meta. In the last year-two years the Meta was to run DOKZ WPRP. Atleast thats what the good 6mans did >_<.

If your tanks/group isn't incompetent, DOKZ/WPRP are better setups and have much better utility than a double WP DOK group. It's just easier to bomb groups now that WP/DOK have their massive ST heal thats on a 5s CD that runs off AP and not SE and nobody has a high enuff DPS Weapon/WS setup to even puncture their defenses.

Honestly in the current state of the game, I would suggest using progressive stat bonuses similar to sovereign (for example Annihi = 5PCs so 1pc = 30wound, 2pc = 30tough, 3pc = 5crit, 4pc = 20% chance to regain 25ap, 5pc = Whatever. Hell make a belt for the sets too so their is 6pc pvp sets so you can have a godly 6pc timer ability too. And then progressively add a % to the stat bonuses (Minus the Crit) per set increase (So Conq, Invader, Warlord, Sov). Also by adding useful %mods like disrupt, reduced %X, etc that are useful it would create much more parity among classes.

[roadkillrobin]

Well that's what I was saying, just wondering why people think gear is magically going to break the double dok meta and somehow makes dok/zealot the best setup.

You can use gear to "fix" broken classes.

Tyrrant gear proc bonus that reduces cast times on heals were much better on all robe casters then they were for WP/DOK at the time. It was so strong on Archmage that with that set they were actually the best healers in the game at that point.

You can do simular thing to WP/DoK to ballance em with a set wich have a 4 or 5 set peice bonus with really good SE/RF regen but the set in total have much lower armor vallues on it.

[kweedko]

completely disregard the fact that to kill someone in 'one rotation' requires all the stars to align, several buffs and debuffs, and about 6-7 seconds being stationary xDDD

the fact that you think a mara, sh and sorc are in more dire need of buffs says it all. keep making those dd zealot videos fam!

Oh my you realize that Plate Wizard is stationary RDD woah, and what you want to kite and kill no bra you cant get it. And like i said Sorcs(compare to BW) they good only cause class mechanic everything else they got worse than bw, SH(don' have good AP menegmet and crit in core but sw got both and just can infinitely spam macaronies and leleat arrow, or festerbomb your ass) And maras ugh maras what they got besides buggy Pull - less mobile than WL cause no pounce, less damage cause no stupid pet who hits like a truck atm (500-600 crits in cloth constanly), yeah they got better ap managment and surviveability in third hand but who need dd who lives but not kills if you running premade WE and Coppa are much better even sorc better than in melee than mara even any ddtank, maras the most useless destro class but everyone rolls one cause they thinking Chaos Barbarian must be cool but with better gear availible for everyone maras become even ussless .

[peterthepan3]

yeah, which is why no top-notch premade ever used a marauder in smallscale - or even double marauder.

I can't even....can someone else take over?

[Azarael]

Well that's what I was saying, just wondering why people think gear is magically going to break the double dok meta and somehow makes dok/zealot the best setup.

You can use gear to "fix" broken classes.

Tyrrant gear proc bonus that reduces cast times on heals were much better on all robe casters then they were for WP/DOK at the time. It was so strong on Archmage that with that set they were actually the best healers in the game at that point.

You can do simular thing to WP/DoK to ballance em with a set wich have a 4 or 5 set peice bonus with really good SE/RF regen but the set in total have much lower armor vallues on it.

I've stated multiple times that gear will not be used to balance classes on my watch.

garbage

Hope you're trolling

[repel]

they have but cd is too long

[roadkillrobin]

Well that's what I was saying, just wondering why people think gear is magically going to break the double dok meta and somehow makes dok/zealot the best setup.

You can use gear to "fix" broken classes.

Tyrrant gear proc bonus that reduces cast times on heals were much better on all robe casters then they were for WP/DOK at the time. It was so strong on Archmage that with that set they were actually the best healers in the game at that point.

You can do simular thing to WP/DoK to ballance em with a set wich have a 4 or 5 set peice bonus with really good SE/RF regen but the set in total have much lower armor vallues on it.

I've stated multiple times that gear will not be used to balance classes on my watch

Yes I also agree that classes should being fixed at the core, Just mentioned that it's possible to do it.
The Archmage in Tyrant gear is btw a perfect example how little you need tweak a class for it goin from worst to best in the game and could also be a hint to what the class is in need of to be more competative.

For those who don't remember the Tyrant gear bonuses was this:

Archmage / Shaman / Rune Priest / Zealot

2 Piece Bonus = 76 Willpower
3 Piece Bonus = 76 Wounds
4 Piece Bonus = 5% Heal Crit Chance
5 Piece Bonus = Hierophant’s Grace – On Hit or Direct Heal : 5% chance to reduce build times by 50% for 10 seconds
6 Piece Bonus = +50 Additional AP Pool

[zazie]

yeah, which is why no top-notch premade ever used a marauder in smallscale - or even double marauder.

I can't even....can someone else take over?

You mean for the last year of the game? You are aware that warhammer was a live game for more than a year right?

[grumcajs]

about that mara being crap - werent they in some ancient times pretty much the worst class in WAR ?

[roadkillrobin]

Yes Mara got a superboost at about the same time as rr100 patch. They were considered the worst class for a long time.