Sorc vs BW

[Penril]

Damage wise? Yes, they are really well balanced. But BW has self cleanse, ranged KD and instant snare. That's 3 incredibly useful skills for a squishy class like Bw, which Sorc doesn't have access to.

As for their ranged snare needing to be specced, that point is moot since Withering Heat is part of a BWs rotation as well (equivalent to Hand of Ruin, but with a snare on top of it).

But this thread is about Magus/Engi. We can dicuss Sorc/BW somewhere else. My suggestion was simply removing one of the BW's utility toys and giving it to Engies (among other suggestions).

No Penril, damage wise they are not balanced, sorc wins, utility wise are not balanced, Bw wins.

Thats why thhey are balanced, i dont know how you got on your head that BW is on top and is able to do the same damage as sorc but he is not, he is behind in damage and it only gets worse at rank 40.

And having to spec it is not a moot point, there is no snare for the BW on a bomb build, there is for Sorc, just like there is free snare for everyone on destruction in the dok covenant.

And sure, we can discuss it somewhere else but you are the one who suddenly proposed this out of nowhere because somehow Bws have to give something to the poor engies but Sorcs can tell magus to **** off.

Asterisks make a person's point seem logical

Anyone who defines logic by the amount of obscenity in it needs to check what logic means

We can continue here.

[Penril]

I think BW and Sorc are really well balanced in terms of damage. However BW gets all the toys (self cleanse, instant-cast ranged snare, ranged KD) while Sorc has a 2s disarm and a 2s ranged snare that requires their targt to be cursed first.

Yes, Sorcs can do more damage. But not THAT much more that it justifies giving these toys to one mirror and crap to the other one. I think those toys should go to classes that do less damage, like Magus/Engie.

Thoughts?

[bloodi]

I think BW and Sorc are really well balanced in terms of damage. However BW gets all the toys (self cleanse, instant-cast ranged snare, ranged KD) while Sorc has a 2s disarm and a 2s ranged snare that requires their targt to be cursed first.

And Obsessive focus, the ability to build up resources much easier, a 100% spirit based (on a class that can debuff spirit) burst rotationl with Artic blast and impending doom being spirit damage, Gloomburst tactic.

Also dont forget than the disarm and the ranged snare are free, the BW needs to be immolation to have access to both.

[Tesq]

Indirectly sorc benefith a lot from magus cuz he can have debuff for the same aura value aoe his type of magic damage (spiritual) while instead bw dont benefith from engi (corp vs elemental).
Which is not a problem since a bomb party run with a SM.

So there is no real way sorc have to do more damage than a bw via resistences debuff. They also have an aoe damage debuff for their damage which that one being on SM make things even better cuz you can take a second BW.
The st rotation is a nuff said in difference, sorc have more ista cast things while bw have a RKD a self cleanse (unique in game) and a ranged snare.

The focussed thing of sorc requrie a tactic to be effective used and the 10% damage more tactic dont benefith the sorc so you need 2 sorc that both use that or sorc+ magus the make equal the damage.

Indirectly the set up for order side so is better as you can take 2bw and still have 2 rkd, 2 self cleanse, 2 ranged snare.
And both BW benefith from SM reduction CD.

Sorc do only damage and require a magus to debuff their damge type : which mean los, cleanse, and kite, make harder kill something with guard and heals and it's impossible ranged kill a wp while a bwt take few to burn down a bad positioned dok.

SO party wise both single target and aoe BW >>> sorc

WB it takes too many things in account to be discuss

the real looser here anyway is engi that do not have a place in a wb exept only pull(dont reach the aoe damage ammount of magus nor debuff the bw aoe damages)

[bloodi]

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I would try to point how many things you got wrong but i dont think i have time in this life.

Seriously Tesq, try to not talk about things you have no idea about.

[Tesq]

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I would try to point how many things you got wrong but i dont think i have time in this life.

Seriously Tesq, try to not talk about things you have no idea about.

easy , point it out so.

[bloodi]

easy , point it out so.

Look, for starters, i will just point out how many things you got wrong in your first paragraph, just that.

Indirectly sorc benefith a lot from magus cuz he can have debuff for the same aura value aoe his type of magic damage (spiritual) while instead bw dont benefith from engi (corp vs elemental).
Which is not a problem since a bomb party run with a SM.

First, check what damages BW does on their immolation spec, Boiling blood is corporeal, Withering heat is corporeal, furthermore, the tactic that every BW will get asap gives you a corp debuff just in case you do not get a engi with you.

Sorc has the same exact tactic for spiritual.

Also, SM doesnt debuff corporeal or elemental, just spiritual, which BW doesnt do at all.

So please, do not try to talk about things you have 0 idea about.

[Tesq]

Spoiler:

easy , point it out so.

Look, for starters, i will just point out how many things you got wrong in your first paragraph, just that.

Indirectly sorc benefith a lot from magus cuz he can have debuff for the same aura value aoe his type of magic damage (spiritual) while instead bw dont benefith from engi (corp vs elemental).
Which is not a problem since a bomb party run with a SM.

First, check what damages BW does on their immolation spec, Boiling blood is corporeal, Withering heat is corporeal, furthermore, the tactic that every BW will get asap gives you a corp debuff just in case you do not get a engi with you.

Sorc has the same exact tactic for spiritual.

Also, SM doesnt debuff corporeal or elemental, just spiritual, which BW doesnt do at all.

So please, do not try to talk about things you have 0 idea about.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=zea ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

wrath of hoeth--> debuff all resistences for auras valuie (which auras dont cos it 1/2 of the buff value)

you are wrong.

WTF mean sorc do all spiritual and bw do ele+ corp, first you are wrong doombolt is corporeal, second it dosent mean a **** until someone not debuff those. Which make you alredy wrong cuz SM debuff all resistence as i wrote above.

and you are wrong again

[Azarael]

9017 Wrath of Hoeth

The magic from your blade is released in a staggering explosion that deals 150 damage to all opponents within 30 feet. In addition your opponent's Spiritual resistance will be reduced by 378 for 20 seconds.

[Vaul]

I don't know much about the OP but SM's Heaven's Blade does debuff all 3 resists.