Need Help Learning to Heal in SCs

[MaidLeila]

So I'm not having a good time trying to heal as Archmage in SCs right now

I need LoS to a person to be able to single target heal them but I also need to stand still to cast big heals and group heal, so I need to stand in a spot where I can see everyone and close enough to be able to cast group heal, but also be able to see enemies so I can use drain magic to get action points back. Picking a spot like this in the heat of the moment is difficult when everyone is scattering and running around. People die so fast that I try to just focus on healing and keeping people alive, but then I often get ganked, CC'd or LoS'd. Then when we lose I get blamed for it.

Just had someone in SC chat go off on me, call me a bitch because I said I needed LoS to players and to stand still for big heals and protected from enemy DPS. I asked them to give me advice and they said "LoS enemies, kite them, don't just stand there like an idiot." So next time I tried to stand behind a wall. I can't single target heal like that so I just spammed group heal. I was targeted by like 4 enemies and killed while everyone ran off. If I try to kite enemies, I'm not healing, and people die. Said that in chat and someone else told me "you picked a bad spot". So what's a good spot then? "fifty feet away from the fight" apparently. But if I'm far away, people run out of range or LoS me.

It seems like no matter what I do I get blamed and nothing I do is right. I was told by a complainer/insulter that they "have a max gear shaman so I know what I'm doing". If that's the case, he should be able to provide good help without insulting me. I don't recall insulting anyone or telling anyone how to play their class, so I didn't deserve the mistreatment. I hate people.

I'm starting to hate this **** game. I have to do so much correctly and be perfect or I'm not **** good enough and people flame me. Almost every experience is the same. People only care about getting kills and still somehow winning. No instructions, no coordination, just win somehow and get kills.

[Lyra2]

Are you mouseclicking ? That the first thing coming to mind after reading this. That the main reason you would struggle to kite and heal in scenarios. Otherwise you shouldn't have any problem to kite or position yourself. AM can do a lot on the move so you are always able to st heal, hot, shield, drain ap, puddle while running. If you always move first you have time to stop to cast aoe or big st heals, learn to space enemies and keep practicing.

[MaidLeila]

I use tab to target enemies and the file keys for group mates and mouse side buttons (MMO mouse) for abilities, but if I want to target a WB member not in the group or a specific enemy, how do I target them without mouse clicking? And how do I coordinate with people who scatter and run around chasing enemies and LoS me?

[Nameless]

Imo for healing is very important good ui selection and customisation. Enemy addon and pure are must imo and enemy should be set not just the default settings. Buffhead is other mandatory addon for healers. There are others important ones but these are must on and if u dont have them or dont use their adequate substitute you will have hard time healing

[wtfprogram]

Reminds me of a Lost temple of isha scenario i was in earlier. We started by outnumbering order 5 vs 4. So we all went to the flag and capped it. The only thing you really need to do after that is defend the flag. Because it gives you points as long as you are in possession of it. So i stayed there to defend the flag. Meanwhile a shaman rides off all the way to orders warcamp and he must have gotten ganked. Because he then types in scenario chat "the zealots afk" and he says "as usual" So he decided to publicly shame me when ive done nothing wrong. And when i told him about this, that im defending the flag he says "learn to play"... I learned that no matter what you do or how original and yourself that you can be, some people are still never going to like you. Theres nothing that you can do to change it and im not going to try.

[Sulorie]

I use tab to target enemies and the file keys for group mates and mouse side buttons (MMO mouse) for abilities, but if I want to target a WB member not in the group or a specific enemy, how do I target them without mouse clicking? And how do I coordinate with people who scatter and run around chasing enemies and LoS me?

You responded to the assumption about mouse clicking already, since the question was whether you have key binds for abilities or you use your mouse.
People not shown in your UI have to be clicked manually, which can be difficult, if they are in a brawl.
In scenario though all players on your side are shown on your UI. If you see only one group, then it got toggled off somehow.
When the players in your group run off in all directions, then it's not your job to devide in half to help everyone at once. You make a decision who to heal. Check match results to get familiar with who should be healed first. To keep your team alive the team has to do their fair share of supporting you in helping them, if you get what I mean. It depends on the circumstances but sometimes a good place for a healer is closer to the frontline, especially if enemy team got classes made for killing backline healers/DD. Your team has to be close enough to be able to help in case you get attacked. If they still don't react, then it's on them, not on you.

[MaidLeila]

Okay so the advice I've received is:

Don't mouse click (but no alternative was given)
Use UI mods (I looked them up and they don't seem to have targeting assistance, just present you with more info)
You shouldn't have trouble (not helpful)

Another thing to clarify. If I'm moving (trying to kite) the only heals I can cast are:

Healing energy (small heal, not gonna save anyone being actively DPS'd
HoT (same as above)
Shield of Saphery (20s CD)

Small heals and HoTs are for topping people off in slow situations. In order to outheal enemy DPS, I need to cast the big heal and group heals. If I'm constantly moving, I won't be able to heal enough to keep people alive. If I precast HoTs, then I'm out of AP because I spent it healing when I didn't need to. Also, what if I'm in a position where if I try to kite, I can't stay with my group, like a bridge, or a narrow pass, or somewhere with lots of obstacles for LoS?

And now I'm left wondering, why should I put in the time, energy and effort to learn how to do all of this flawlessly when most people aren't going to appreciate me for it anyway? Why stress myself out for random people that don't care about me when I can turn the game off and go pet my dog?

EDIT: responding to newest post. Thank you for telling me about the option to display WB in SC. I didn't know about that and I'll look for it. Thank you, that should help a bit.

[Keula]

Get the enemy add-on. it's basically mandatory for the game with good ui the game comes much easier to play as a healer and the only "hard" part is your own positioning.

By default(i think... haven't used default settigns in long while) it'll already show if some1 has a cleanseable debuff by you, healdebuffs and i think range in the form of distance dots, which will help a ton.

Then you can customize a lot of things about it to your liking, like change the range from the dots to just be the distance in numbers(or have both) add abilities to track on the unit frames via ability id:s like your own hot or some nasty debuffs or whatever you want to be shown there. Some1 even did like pre-made basic enemy config for healers : viewtopic.php?t=24648 if you don't feel like doing all the work yourself and can give that a try as well to see if taht works for you, or use it as a base to start tweaking from there.

Also just in general at least look through this topic about add-ons: viewtopic.php?t=53475 might find something that fancies you.

[derKleineKerl]

Hmm i assume you are in mid tier ( lvl 16-39) ?

Are you using tali on your gear ( in midtier i used mostly willpower tali) later lvl40+ wounds tali bescause they are cheap and in bis gear i would probably use some armor/wounds mix ?

Are you using armor potion ?

Pay attention where your party is and where the enemy is moving and try always to have them between yourself and the enemey if its possible (its although very situational )

Are you using the left healing tree path of isha ?


I dont know which lvl you are but i would use something like this:

RoR.builders - Archmage


If you dont have have ap problems you can switch restorativ burst into for example apotheosis


In general prehot you party (dps/tanks) and dps in other parties or in general people who you suspect will getting a lot of dmg. If you can spare the seconds when fighting try to refresh the hots.
If one target getting a lot of dmg use magical infusion and funnel Essence (if you have time to stand still and its a lot of burst dmg comming) if you have little bit more time you can use focused mind if its up and you can use it with boon of hysh. If the party getting a lot of dmg focuse mind and blessing of isha is although a good combination.

If your party is getting a lot of dmg take a good position and use blessing of isha and hope it will be enough.

Use Shield of Saphery if the target will get a lot of dmg for example if you see that sorc wants to burst someone or nothing else is up and a person is getting a lot of dmg.

Decurse you party members if you have the time to spare.

Use the puddle if some melee dps wants to focuse you or in general use if to hinder the enemy or help some people of your team to escape etc.


If you are looking for a good ui, use this one: viewtopic.php?t=53906

I hope i could help a little bit but in general you dont have a rota like a dps but healing is always situational and you have to use the right healing spell in the right moment.

[Martok]

Reminds me of a Lost temple of isha scenario i was in earlier. We started by outnumbering order 5 vs 4. So we all went to the flag and capped it. The only thing you really need to do after that is defend the flag. Because it gives you points as long as you are in possession of it. So i stayed there to defend the flag. Meanwhile a shaman rides off all the way to orders warcamp and he must have gotten ganked. Because he then types in scenario chat "the zealots afk" and he says "as usual" So he decided to publicly shame me when ive done nothing wrong. And when i told him about this, that im defending the flag he says "learn to play"... I learned that no matter what you do or how original and yourself that you can be, some people are still never going to like you. Theres nothing that you can do to change it and im not going to try.

Quoted for Truth.

Also, thank you program as this issue will be a topic of discussion during the next Tothmonra Podcast.