[AOE channels] mara/wl

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Alubert
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[AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#1 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:21 am

Mele AOE channels have too high tooltip dmg.
Sometimes they hit for similar value as ST ability and they hit twice per second.
There should never be a situation where using aoe channel vs 1 enemy will be more effective than ST rotation.
Mara/wl aoe channels have a very short CD which further enhances their potency.
I think this needs devs attention even though dps balance is yet to come.
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#2 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:32 am

They don't hit twice per second, builder isn't updated. Was changed in 21/06/2024 patch to hit once per second, and dmg per hit was increased to compensate.

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Alubert
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#3 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:54 am

That's still more often than GDC.
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Zxul
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#4 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:07 pm

Alubert wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:54 am That's still more often than GDC.
Same for all channels, including for all aoe channels like bw/sorc ones.
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Alubert
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#5 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:28 pm

Zxul wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:07 pm
Alubert wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:54 am That's still more often than GDC.
Same for all channels, including for all aoe channels like bw/sorc ones.
Yes, of course.
The post didn't apply to them because their aoe dmg is much weaker than sorc/bw ST skills.
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Maliceblades
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#6 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:59 pm

first mara pulls need a nerf now their AOE needs to be nerfed lol who was the mara that hurt you i wanna shake his hand

also no channel is stronger than a ST rotation idk where you got that from AOE channels are strong VS large groups running a ST party in a WB VS another WB with all AOE the WB with one ST party will win every time BC Coordinated ST damage is stronger than AOE vs one target

Zxul
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#7 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:22 pm

The thing is, channels need to do higher dmg than instant skills- because they can be interrupted. If they did the same dmg, why would anyone use them?
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Alubert
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#8 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:50 pm

Zxul wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:22 pm The thing is, channels need to do higher dmg than instant skills- because they can be interrupted. If they did the same dmg, why would anyone use them?
If they hit more than one target, yes they should be nerfed.
I dont have problem with ST channels.
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Alubert
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#9 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:00 pm

Maliceblades wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:59 pm first mara pulls need a nerf now their AOE needs to be nerfed lol who was the mara that hurt you i wanna shake his hand
I have nothing personal to a particular mara (I personally play mara and do not have a WL class) most of them are just noobs pullbots or spinbots anyway.
If you would read with understanding it is about WL/mara and not just mara.
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Zxul
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Re: [AOE channels] mara/wl

Post#10 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:15 pm

Alubert wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:50 pm
Zxul wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:22 pm The thing is, channels need to do higher dmg than instant skills- because they can be interrupted. If they did the same dmg, why would anyone use them?
If they hit more than one target, yes they should be nerfed.
I dont have problem with ST channels.
Lets compare.

Demolition- aoe mara skill, instant so cannon be interrupted, no cd, doesn't takes points to spec.
Wrecking Ball- aoe mara channel, channel so can be interrupted, has a cd- only can be used for 3 sec out of every 13, takes going 13 points up Monstrosity and then 1 more point to get it.

If they did the same dmg, why on earth would anyone ever spec Wrecking Ball?
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