Should Gryphon Lash do spirit damage?

[Easysteps2]

Gryphon Lash is the one of the few Khaine Swordmaster abilities that does physical damage. Most other Khaine abilities (Ether Dance, Sapping Strike, Wall of Darting Steel, Phoenix Wing, Blurring Shock) do spirit damage, as do many other supporting SM abilities.

Because Gryphon Lash is so different, 2-handed Swordmasters never use Gryphon Lash (no one does). 2H Swordmasters use Ensorcelled Blow or Phoenix Wing.

Should Gryphon Lash do spirit damage, so that it can be sometimes added to the kit of 2H SM?

[rrrutsss]

Are you having a laugh?
Its an undefendabke attack and you want it to do magical damage...

If you dont know when to use undefendable skills then i dont know what to say.

[Zxul]

What rrrutsss said.
Not to mention, chosen mirror skill Cleave does physical dmg as well.

[Easysteps2]

Are you having a laugh?
Its an undefendabke attack and you want it to do magical damage...

If you dont know when to use undefendable skills then i dont know what to say.

I know when to use it, but the fact is that it does only about 150 damage compared to 300+ using Phoenix Wing/EB. To be useful the opponent would need to have a 75%+ parry rate, so currently it might be useful against a tank with a shield or when a melee DPS pops Confusing Movements?

I spent time reviewing the kills of 10 high renown DPS swordmasters, and none of them use it. That includes solo kills, even against good candidates to use it, such as tanks, marauders, and witch elves. A main ability should be used, sometimes, by someone.

[Zxul]

Are you having a laugh?
Its an undefendabke attack and you want it to do magical damage...

If you dont know when to use undefendable skills then i dont know what to say.

I know when to use it, but the fact is that it does only about 150 damage compared to 300+ using Phoenix Wing/EB. To be useful the opponent would need to have a 75%+ parry rate, so currently it might be useful against a tank with a shield or when a melee DPS pops Confusing Movements?

I spent time reviewing the kills of 10 high renown DPS swordmasters, and none of them use it. That includes solo kills, even against good candidates to use it, such as tanks, marauders, and witch elves. A main ability should be used, sometimes, by someone.

High renown doesn't means high skill, just pugging wbs will get you to a high renown eventually. Part of actually having skill is knowing when its optimal to use which skill.

[Easysteps2]

High renown doesn't means high skill, just pugging wbs will get you to a high renown eventually. Part of actually having skill is knowing when its optimal to use which skill.

So everyone sucks, gotcha.

Good skills get used by the majority of players, whether the players suck or not.

[Zxul]

High renown doesn't means high skill, just pugging wbs will get you to a high renown eventually. Part of actually having skill is knowing when its optimal to use which skill.

So everyone sucks, gotcha.

Good skills get used by the majority of players, whether the players suck or not.

From quite a bit of solo roaming over lot of years live and here, yep actually most do.

And no, good skills don't necessarily get used by majority of players. See RA as example, which was almost never used by WEs, until I posted a spec based on it a few years ago.

Specifically about Gryphon's Lash, here is when you actually should use it, instead of spirit skills:

-high parry opponent, which isn't tank (tank will have too much armor for it to be effective)
-high resists, low armor opponent:

• *Zealots- sm can't shatter their resists buff.
  *Non- tanks which aren't armor specced (mostr mara) and which have resist buff/aura which you can't shatter. Test vs medium armor which dmg type is better vs the opponent.
  *Choppa specifically- will likely have at least a decent parry, but low armor when he rages.
  *Sm can shatter sham and sorc resist buffs (sorc has a 20 sec self buff), it can however be covered- in sorc case for example sm will need to shatter at least 2 self buffs before he gets to resist buff.
  *Anyone who isn't tank, and who uses resist liniment or spirit resist pot- you can't shatter those.Test vs medium armor which dmg type is better vs the opponent.
  *Also for that matter, any non tank DE/greenskin who uses spirit resist tactic. Ain't likely, since tactic slots are premium, but possible. Again, test vs medium armor which dmg type is better vs the opponent.

[rrrutsss]

Are you having a laugh?
Its an undefendabke attack and you want it to do magical damage...

If you dont know when to use undefendable skills then i dont know what to say.

I know when to use it, but the fact is that it does only about 150 damage compared to 300+ using Phoenix Wing/EB. To be useful the opponent would need to have a 75%+ parry rate, so currently it might be useful against a tank with a shield or when a melee DPS pops Confusing Movements?

I spent time reviewing the kills of 10 high renown DPS swordmasters, and none of them use it. That includes solo kills, even against good candidates to use it, such as tanks, marauders, and witch elves. A main ability should be used, sometimes, by someone.

You have to check SMs that play solo and only then find a kill of his that needed that skill.
Nothing to do whit high rr.

Havent seen any solo SMs lately tho.

[Florian90210]

No, all khaine should be physical damage. It's dev's fault they made SM even more OP with new magical dmg ability. Magic damage is Vaul's tree.

[vladerethro]

They probably should make chosen's rending blade (aoe, spirit, undefendable) physical then.