Forts with overstacked attackers

[Phantasm]

Was always wondered, why amount of attackers in fort isnt caped at amount of defenders + a bonus? Is it to push campaign ahead so free rewards are given to people choosing to attack empty forts? Wouldnt it be better to at least priotise amount of defenders and give attackers a decent fight for reward?

[rejndjer]

it is capped. but if there's x amount of defenders, and then y amount of defenders leave, you get bigger attacker numbers advantage than intended.

[MasterYoda]

It's not that they leave. They never show up for their reservation as they often times know it's hopeless and rather go to the other open rvr zone than get stomped in fort and get 0 rr. Yet the system doesn't consider that and assumes all of the defenders of the previous zone show up and let's in accordingly many attackers. Though only a small fraction of the defenders show up while almost all attackers do, creating forts where 70 attackers fight against 25 defenders that Phantasm talked about. I'm reasonably sure it's not intended. Just a flaw in the fort population cap system that was not considered when it was designed.

[Phantasm]

What i mean after reservation are resolved amount of participants in fort is deretmined by amount of attackers and then there are assigned defenders which promote going overstacked realm to get free reward. More sense for me is to determine amount of attackers based on amount of defenders to even the fights, ofc with extra members on attackers side like it is now.

Side note, reservations of defenders are never real participant numbers, many just log out after lost keep and dont take reservation as its their end of RvR time.

[Bosli]

It's been a while that I played forts, but attackers are only limited to the hardcap.

One simple reason is that defenders should not fight about who should be allowed to participate in the defense. If every defender allows 1.5 more attackers in, it would be advantageous of the defenders to only bring the best players they have available to form 2-3 full warbands, and not bring in the rest - creating drama the same way it can (but rarely does) happen for attacker spots full and organized warbands only getting half their players in the fort.

Also, if one realm is overstacked and easily takes keeps, they should be allowed to easily take forts too if defenders just don't show up in numbers.

[ravezaar]

I take any Fort > City/lotd

hate scheduled stuff

[malmar]

What i mean after reservation are resolved amount of participants in fort is deretmined by amount of attackers and then there are assigned defenders which promote going overstacked realm to get free reward. More sense for me is to determine amount of attackers based on amount of defenders to even the fights, ofc with extra members on attackers side like it is now.

Side note, reservations of defenders are never real participant numbers, many just log out after lost keep and dont take reservation as its their end of RvR time.

that is true only for first 5 minutes. after that it is recalculated based on actual number of people in fort. also defenders have easy and safe way to fort where they can wait until first stage starts

[malmar]

I take any Fort > City/lotd

hate scheduled stuff

nothing wrong witch scheduled cities - gives people timeframe to organize their time. rvr campaig need extra rewards for locking pairing - be it rr/crest/bags or maybe additional city siege that allows only characters that pushed zones to enter.

[ravezaar]

I take any Fort > City/lotd

hate scheduled stuff

nothing wrong witch scheduled cities - gives people timeframe to organize their time. rvr campaig need extra rewards for locking pairing - be it rr/crest/bags or maybe additional city siege that allows only characters that pushed zones to enter.

Thats your opinion Malmar, for me its wrong makes Forts and Zone pushing meaningless

[Phantasm]

It's been a while that I played forts, but attackers are only limited to the hardcap.

One simple reason is that defenders should not fight about who should be allowed to participate in the defense. If every defender allows 1.5 more attackers in, it would be advantageous of the defenders to only bring the best players they have available to form 2-3 full warbands, and not bring in the rest - creating drama the same way it can (but rarely does) happen for attacker spots full and organized warbands only getting half their players in the fort.

Also, if one realm is overstacked and easily takes keeps, they should be allowed to easily take forts too if defenders just don't show up in numbers.

But as a defender you can easly enter fort whenever you like. Noone tell you to not do it. Thats what used to did rdps way back ago when BHA was stackable. Every fort was full of SWs just spamming one button and easly defend forts.
Lets say last zone is taken by 200+ attackers and you couldnt hold keep with less then 100, why rest of defenders would prolonged their missery and spend another hour holding undefendable fort?