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Please allow me to rant, I know I cant change anything but it makes me feel better sharing these thoughts with you.
After being spawn camped in PvP, I made my way here to share my woes.
Ahh the joys of sitting in spawn, dancing and waving to my foes.
The art of being spawn camped,(could be a book.) waiting for match to end 500-0. I thought to myself, aint it a funny thing, That healing in this game kills PVP battles.
You gotta laugh at the irony of that. Hahahehehe.
I remember posting this same idea on the original boards many years ago.
It was the biggest reason myself and friends left the game, so many moons ago.
Summary of a typical PVP battle.
Play a PVP match, can tell how its going quite quickly. If your spawn camped.....that's a clue.
Check the healing scores at end of game. Usually one side has lots of healing. They are called the winning team.The mighty and fearsome Healers are owning your team. Now repeat every battle.
Oh the hours I played every PvP battle shouting "kill the healer", "get the healer!", "Kill this guy I'm having no effect hitting!". Heroically trying with my huge, tanks class characters, or bravely trying with my deadly dps class.(Psst ..Not that deadly vs healers on one to one.) Each battle running toward the enemy healer. Sticking with the horrible, no honour, enemy healer. Spamming all my skills, and watch in horror as his health bars drop to 90% then right back up to full health every time. Every match me on a goddam healer, I had no effect.
Please don't get me started on the evil that is 2 or 3 healers, chain healing each other.
Dear reader, It gave me some kinda of battle stress I can tell you. Is there a charity for classes unable to kill healers on one to one battles?
Now I'm back trying your well crafted private server, I am having flashbacks. Arghh.
I now remember, how I used to check how many healers were on each side, right at start of battle. You could predict how each battle would go based purely on healers on each side, lol.
Healers always defended their position of healing. They loved that the game has a set up, that a DPS class had no chance in being able to kill a healer on a one on one battle. They defended that stance till servers closed. That always annoyed me, here I am full metal plate, giant sword, cant kill a green goblin with a stick firing a green beam, pew pew. (Switch green goblin out for small bearded dwarf if playing against order.)
Maybe I got it all wrong, I think now every player has a healer class. Its just me who wouldn't roll a healer and only me that try's to take em on on at PvP, leads to madness, I tell ya.
Ahh Flash back, just remember my friends ended up calling game "Heal-hammer", lol. Ah the memories.
Just wanted to vent as I take a break again, so much I love about this game, did a great job with private server but the healing! Kills it for me, again!
Healing kills PvP!
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- Aurandilaz
- Posts: 1896
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Ever heard of healdebuffs? Debuffing enemy healers?
Rushing their healers down with a meleetrain and watch them panic?
Nothing gives me more joy than playing a WE and watching 4 healers simultaneously sprint away from me because they figured I might hurt one of them (before suiciding into my inevitable death when trying to hit enemy backlines)
If you play a tank, your job is to guard, assist and follow some mdps who can deal with enemy healers and burst them down so they cannot stay safe to keep healing their own team throughout the fight.
Having played half a dozen different dps classes, it's absurd easy how fast some healers die. Obviously the good ones refuse to die, but that's why they are the good ones.
Rushing their healers down with a meleetrain and watch them panic?
Nothing gives me more joy than playing a WE and watching 4 healers simultaneously sprint away from me because they figured I might hurt one of them (before suiciding into my inevitable death when trying to hit enemy backlines)
If you play a tank, your job is to guard, assist and follow some mdps who can deal with enemy healers and burst them down so they cannot stay safe to keep healing their own team throughout the fight.
Having played half a dozen different dps classes, it's absurd easy how fast some healers die. Obviously the good ones refuse to die, but that's why they are the good ones.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
I completely agree. It's extremely apparent in scenarios - whichever side has more healers wins the vast majority of the time. Scenarios DESPERATELY need to have caps on how many healers and tanks can be on each team, because one side (and you know which side it is) always has 4-7 healers and 4-7 tanks and completely stomps all over the other one because of a lack of the same. That plus the fact that even a mediocre healer can withstand the attacks of 2, sometimes maybe 3 DPS players without dying means that even attacking the healers themselves is ultimately pointless once you reach a critical mass in the number of them, because the others will just heal him through your entire teams damage. This isn't even taking into account guards and detaunts, by the way.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
You seem to be suffering from a severe case of the solo. I suggest a treatment plan of joining a guild. It's marvelous, the difference it makes. Sorry you had a rough time of it, though
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- Fallenkezef
- Posts: 1492
Re: Healing kills PvP!
For every sc I have lost because the other team has more medics, I've won because we have more.
I've lost sc's because the enemy had more tanks, do we limit them?
I remember a Caledor Woods where 3 IB's an SM and two Knights just sat on the flag all game. That was a "fun" 500-0 loss.
Do I blame the tanks? Nope, I reque an look forward to the variety the next match brings.
I've lost sc's because the enemy had more tanks, do we limit them?
I remember a Caledor Woods where 3 IB's an SM and two Knights just sat on the flag all game. That was a "fun" 500-0 loss.
Do I blame the tanks? Nope, I reque an look forward to the variety the next match brings.
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Re: Healing kills PvP!
Assist with other dps. Dont play pug, will hurt you to much. Make a healer.
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Re: Healing kills PvP!
If you try the same thing over and over again and fail every time, maybe use a different aproach and attack the enemy dps?
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- peterthepan3
- Posts: 6509
Re: Healing kills PvP!
You shouldn't be killing competent healers if you're attacking them alone. Assist is important. Find some players to assist with, form a group with as many healers as you want to alleviate healer woes.

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- Fallenkezef
- Posts: 1492
Re: Healing kills PvP!
One of the problems with pugs is 6 people attacking 8 enemy players.
You need to gangbang a healer so hard they do a namechange to Houston (yes, showing my age here).
You need to gangbang a healer so hard they do a namechange to Houston (yes, showing my age here).
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- roadkillrobin
- Posts: 2773
Re: Healing kills PvP!
The winning side is the one with the best dps preassure and able to take out enemy dps preassure. You can win without healing even tho losing the suvurvivability from healing is not really sustaineble.
Take out enemy dps and it's not gonna mather how much healing the other team does coz they are no longer a threat. So no, having the moast healers isn't the winning factor.
Take out enemy dps and it's not gonna mather how much healing the other team does coz they are no longer a threat. So no, having the moast healers isn't the winning factor.

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