Return of Reckoning

hey, I am currently levelling a BO (I also have a SM in his 20s) and actually enjoying the class (both) mechanic and tank role.

BUT when I think of being able to fullfill my role with a 2H and thinking about WODS makes me want to go SM, that aside I love my BO in both look/lore and also what he does in gameplay terms.

I am asking the guys with more experience at lvl 40, can I as a SnB BO play a more offensive role (not talking about going full dps) on the same level of a SM 2hander?

I am more of a soloer, sometimes I join open warbands, but I will and I am mostly doing Scenarios and roam the lakes. (always did on LIVE too)
Is the BO snb for me or should I just go SM? Like I said it's mostly about WODS, it just feels like a better can't hit me in terms of survivability, mostly vs ranged as you can just run around with not giving a f***, while CHM snares me and I have to keep facing my enemies since block is frontal not like disrupt/dodge.

also, can a SnB BO equipped in a similiar way to a 2h SM deal the same kind of pressure?



Sidenote: I have a question about game mechanics that I am currently missing:
Does weapon DPS influence abilities tooltip dmg? or do they scale just out of Strenght and the weapon dps is just auto attack.

SNB DPS BO can deal similar numbers to a SM, yes. With double spirit debuff nerfed, it is very close - with SM edging out on st dps on non squishies (and possibly AoE cleave), while the BO brings higher crit potential vs squishies.

SM is a much better 2h DPS tank. By that I mean it can perform its role of tank and DPS simultaneously with relative ease, while a BO requires high rr and good gear to pull off to a similar degree (yet will never be as good).

2H DPS BO has much higher crit potential than a 2H SM, but it's incredibly squishy and you'll be target number 1.

WODS is good, but it is selfish buff, while SNB BO brings a group-wide dodge/disrupt bonus via HTL.

peterthepan3 wrote:SNB DPS BO can deal similar numbers to a SM, yes. With double spirit debuff nerfed, it is very close - with SM edging out on sustained/possibly AoE cleave, and BO having larger crit potential.

SM is a much better 2h DPS tank. By that I mean it can perform its role of tank and DPS simultaneously with relative ease, while a BO requires high rr and good gear to pull off to a similar degree (yet will never be as good).

2H DPS BO has much higher crit potential than a 2H SM, but it's incredibly squishy and you'll be target number 1.

WODS is good, but it is selfish buff, while SNB BO brings a group-wide dodge/disrupt bonus via HTL.

consider that I am specifically comparing SnB BO vs 2H SM.

2h BO is just a big no without a WODS like ability, ranged will just roast me alive. not interested in 2h bo for that.

peterthepan3 wrote: SM is a much better 2h DPS tank. By that I mean it can perform its role of tank and DPS simultaneously with relative ease, while a BO requires high rr and good gear to pull off to a similar degree (yet will never be as good).

so with that in mind, do u mean this compared to a SnB BO or to a 2H BO?



in the end tho it just seems like I could make it work similiar to WODS against Ranged dps, if I just use 2 buttons instead of one (HTL+CHM vs WODS)

I mean as a 2h offtank (i.e. including both tanking and damage), the SM performs better because he has better survivability via WODS.

SNB BO is perfectly viable, as you said you can use those 2 abilities to help you out when needed. Iirc, Xarrox (one of top SNB DPS BOs) used CHM in his THC spec?

If your desire is to solo the lakes and pug SC's while on occasion joining groups for mass-scale action, then 2H SM is the proper choice. In addition 2H is just more fun.

I have spoken.

2h SM is superior to a 2h BO in every way. As Peter said, BOs require high RR (rr70 is a requirement) + BiS gear, and that's just to be close to not being a bad joke. The rr70 fact alone places the class in the trash can to start with.

Atm, the only reason to choose a 2h BO over a 2h SM is if you like the Greenskins theme more.

I have said and I will repeat:

2H BO is not a choice, I would just go 2H SM without even thinking twice.


it's between SnB BO and a 2H SM.
Can a SnB BO offer decent pressure as a 2H, be it scenarios or Solo Lakes.

Yes, SNB DPS BO works as well as a 2H SM for SC/group play. 2H SM is a better solo tank.

Go order, all the cool kids are doing it.

peterthepan3 wrote:Yes, SNB DPS BO works as well as a 2H SM for SC/group play. 2H SM is a better solo tank.

I hoped people would have persuaded me of the opposite, as I kinda prefer destro and its greenskin train.
But seems like SM is just more suitable for what I am looking for.

why do u think SM is better for solo? Is it just dmg or maybe the possibility to spec for parry striketrough?