Choppa vs Slayer

[xOnelovex]

hello all!

Started playing RoR Monday of this week. I've tested several classes and I'm wanting to play choppa mainly because a friend is deadset on playing greenskins.

At this point, after reading through builds, forum posts, asking in game, and the RoR career builder...is there a point to play choppa over slayer? or is it essentially, if i'm destro then choppa is my only option? As it stands currently, I'm thinking about telling my buddy that we have to play order. I'm usually one for a challenge but this one seems...absurd to put it lightly.

Am I reading too much into things? What am I missing? I'm posting this in dwarf forums as well because I'm trying to get the most informed answers I can! THanks!

-Onelove

[TenTonHammer]

Slayer is generally better than choppa

That's kinda the core truth, some people will just say "oh that's just thinking the grass is greener on the other side" but not really

If you compare their 2 skil trees you will notice that it's basically the same but slayer has access to superior skills like rampage and inovitable doom additionally has a better. 2h tree with skills devastate and spellbreaker

The only real "advantage" that choppa has over slayer is that the former has acess to a core crit tactic with stab you godder

Choppa is not the only choice for destro mdps if that's what you ment

Mara is a solid option with better utility and surviveabilty and same levels of damage out put

[xOnelovex]

Slayer is generally better than choppa

That's kinda the core truth, some people will just say "oh that's just thinking the grass is greener on the other side" but not really

If you compare their 2 skil trees you will notice that it's basically the same but slayer has access to superior skills like rampage and inovitable doom additionally has a better. 2h tree with skills devastate and spellbreaker

The only real "advantage" that choppa has over slayer is that the former has acess to a core crit tactic with stab you godder

Choppa is not the only choice for destro mdps if that's what you ment

Mara is a solid option with better utility and surviveabilty and same levels of damage out put

Thanks for the speedy response! I have been trying to get the real concrete truth of the matter out of people.

Does marauder REALLY do equivalent damage to choppa while providing much more utility? If so, what is the point of having choppa on destro side? Was it literally just meant as a balance of numbers? Order has x number of classes, so does destro?

Is there any pay out of becoming a choppa main? typically I play melee dps in mmo's, and I have "good" situational awareness. However, am i just playing choppa to be a greenskin and look cool or is there actually a boon to playing this class? It seems as if marauder does equivalent damage to choppa, while providing much more utility (just from briefly looking at the tree), there seems to be no benefit to creating a choppa...other than cuz green boyz.

[Arteker616]

Slayer is generally better than choppa

That's kinda the core truth, some people will just say "oh that's just thinking the grass is greener on the other side" but not really

If you compare their 2 skil trees you will notice that it's basically the same but slayer has access to superior skills like rampage and inovitable doom additionally has a better. 2h tree with skills devastate and spellbreaker

The only real "advantage" that choppa has over slayer is that the former has acess to a core crit tactic with stab you godder

Choppa is not the only choice for destro mdps if that's what you ment

Mara is a solid option with better utility and surviveabilty and same levels of damage out put

pherhaps but slayer got a better skill for critic and lets not forget main source of dmg for choppa is AA, and slayer has tactic for AA haste , choppa doesnt.
Choppa used to held his ground early in game untill the massive nerf it took.

[zumos2]

Aoe wise Slayer is definitely superior. But for small scale choppa is a perfectly good class. Also you shouldnt try to compare Slayer directly to the choppa. They have different classes around them to make comps and to compete with. Choppa/Mara is still one of, if not the best melee train setup for destro. So if you like the choppa, just go for it.

[TenTonHammer]

Aoe wise Slayer is definitely superior. But for small scale choppa is a perfectly good class. Also you shouldnt try to compare Slayer directly to the choppa. They have different classes around them to make comps and to compete with. Choppa/Mara is still one of, if not the best melee train setup for destro. So if you like the choppa, just go for it.

The " comps" built around them are not diffrent

Both need a pocket guard, healer and armor debuff

Additionally in small scale slayer is still superior to choppa due to having acess to rampage and ID which gives them superior single target pressure potential

[zumos2]

There is no point beginning to argue if you believe that comps around a dps are just "guard, pocket healer and armor debuff".

[Axerker]

Aoe wise Slayer is definitely superior. But for small scale choppa is a perfectly good class. Also you shouldnt try to compare Slayer directly to the choppa. They have different classes around them to make comps and to compete with. Choppa/Mara is still one of, if not the best melee train setup for destro. So if you like the choppa, just go for it.

The " comps" built around them are not diffrent

Both need a pocket guard, healer and armor debuff

Additionally in small scale slayer is still superior to choppa due to having acess to rampage and ID which gives them superior single target pressure potential

What is ID? Inevitable Doom is the only skill I saw with that acronym, but that's the rune that just blows up for small AoE damage every 2 seconds, so I don't think that's the one you're talking about.

For Rampage, this is definitely a really, really good skill. But it plays a different part than Choppa. Choppa get the tactic for 100% crit for 3 seconds whenever they are blocked/parried, so I don't want the enemy to have no chance to block or parry. Rampage is better for tank-shredding, but Choppa's crit tactic is better for squishies when they randomly parry an attack.

Personally, Rampage is only really good on tanks. Don't get me wrong, it is GREAT against Tanks. But it is less useful against the classes you will be targeting the most, since they have low Parry as it is (and no block, due to no shield). Usually when targeting a mdps, they'll Parry at least one blow during the fight. That's all a Choppa needs to increase their nuke potential by a lot with guaranteed crits.

So, I feel Slayer is better at shredding Tanks, and Choppa is better at killing squishies. But both are only minor, they're still both good and viable classes that dish out a crap ton of damage. Their only weak point is if they get caught off-guard before hitting 25 Rage. Enemy's goal is to kill Slayer/Choppa in under the 3 seconds it takes to get to 25 Rage.

[GodlessCrom]

Due to high weapon skill and the natural parry from dual wield, many melee dps have a decent amount of parry. Especially those that build for solo roaming and dont bother respeccing for group combat (there are literally dozens of us, dozens!). Rampage is definitely an amazing skill, especially against classes like Mara that rely on parry to get off their already limited CC (Deathgrip).

And Inevitable Doom is one of the highest damage abilities Slayer gets. Its why nearly all Slayers go Skavenslayer: it does a lot of aoe damage, and is a decent single target ability as well. The tooltip on career builder is deceiving. I assure you, the ability is good.

[xtc1999]

What is ID? Inevitable Doom is the only skill I saw with that acronym, but that's the rune that just blows up for small AoE damage every 2 seconds, so I don't think that's the one you're talking about.

ID does make slayer superior to choppa in both aoe and st dmg.