Destro pug sc quality

[Shifty]

To give u some informations about me
I played on live on Karak Norn as a rr97 shaman (7x sorc 6x dok too)
mostly roaming solo or with 2-6 man
with or without healing spec depending on grp setup usw

iam more or less rlly pissed about pug scs
going in as heal shaman results in no dps or any focus
going in as dd results in either no heal or tanks who actively guard ppl
"some" ppl think dps tank is a option to play
i tell u its not
same for "dps shamans"
theyre both **** and shouldnt be played AT ALL times (later if ur rr60+ play what u want the gear carries u then)

to everyone else who is playing a spec which is considered "common sense"
like heal shaman dok zealot - tank chosen/bo/bg
anything good related sc/rvr play (iam not talking bout "squig armor meele sh")

dps meele dok has a special role since he scales MUCH earlier with "less gear" and is "if guarded" a value role in good sc/roaming/wbs

back to "common sense" classes
if ur already playing some of the mentioned classes
go look into a forum or just type google and search there
if u want to even I can give u tips to play properly either healshaman or meeledps dok

but NOT getting the informations given (internet is a nice thing right) is the same as u go by a wounded man and telling him to call 911 for help and then going away not caring about the outcome.

there are SOOOO many people writing guides to everything and about everything
why not using this?
ur either to bad .. to lazy...or just not good enough to play games at all

so please - go and get some informations about what ur doing before u do stuff.

if u find writing mistakes - take em and hold em close

u may find sarcasm in here - or maybe its like the heal and guard - error 404 not found.

my 2 cents - feel free to comment

[Gachimuchi]

pugs are pugs because they don't bother to push for more

people's priorities are different and thus some people don't want to put in the effort to be good at a game

people who don't just que for scs and hope they win by themselves

people who do que for scs with a group and coordinate and are rewarded for doing so

tldr if u want to win scs que with a group

[Jaycub]

Pug scs are shitty on destro because order pugs are mostly RDPS, which don't require guard to function and can easily apply pressure at almost all times. Engineers in particular are very self sufficient, and while they single target damage is pretty much trash their aoe pressure combined with any half brained group in a 12man+ scenario can add up quite well.


Something I have come to know playing on destro in our premades, our off group is usually mdps without guard that just fold in 2 seconds... order premades get like 2 sw and an engineer that just make it hell to do anything since the fight is basically instantly turned into 6v12.


tl:dr you want RDPS as pugs and destro just doesn't have nearly as many as order does It's not a player skill or communication etc... thing, almost always down to shitty comps.

[Shifty]

gachi
the problem is not playing premades
"if u want to win q with premades" k lemme inv every ex rg member and we stomp the scs for 6h straight
but not everyone here is a ex rg member or "equally good"
so
to solve the problem
u need to raise the lowest to middle class player which u guess it are PUGS
everything else
is not solving the problem - that alone makes ur whole argument invalid

jay thats not complete true
i either play my sh rr39 (3d time cuz rerolls - dayum rerolls hurt me ;( )
or my rr5x sorc
which both
need a guard and or heals to be efficient dps
if u get jumped by a slayer wl and some random **** sm sw engi bw whatever
u can just out dps ALL u can MAYBE kill 1-2 but thats just ultra lucky or if theyre plain bad

and tbh
order plays so heavy meele
that the "single ranged player" of destro cant dps enough to kill them before the blob reaches u and kills u
and no...u dont kite this even with running faster + slowing them
the slayers runs u dont cuz a hes a slayer and b he HAS a heal and support when pushing
mostly i get scs with 3-4 meeles and 2-3 ranged or vice versa

and destro has like 1-2 choppa/mara/whatever shitty meele wants to play dps
like 1-2 heals (if u got heals at all)
and like 0-1 tanks (if the "tank" plays tanky and guards u) but that is like true in 1/20 scs

so even as rdps u have problems facing enemys ...to a certain point u can kite em true
but not more

and pushing ... same if ur meele dont have balls and push - ALL ur ranged poke is for nothing
same with focus dps (focussing heals/other ranged like bw engi sw) is a pain in the ass if ur not being supported (or ur good gear "speaking of 25+ crit as sh with morals 2 active) by others

same for going back
if ur tanks dont cc the upcoming blob ur ****.

[Toldavf]

Nothing really to say but pugging is a role of the dice. A random assortment of classes thrown into the unknown.

There's no real point in getting agitated over pug SC it might be frustrating to loose because of poor team work but that's just how pugging goes some times.

Just put it behind you you'll be happier for it.

[Shifty]

toldavf thats not true either
if everyone is a little bit good
then he knows what to do
even with random ppl

[DokB]

Not much you can do when the SC puts you into a 6v6 without a healer (unless the enemy team is in the same boat as you and/or play extremely poorly).

Pugs will be pugs, don’t expect much from them and don’t take them too seriously. You can’t expect people in this genre of game to play exactly how you think or to your specific need. Everyone gets their fair share of terrible SC teams. People will get better as they learn more. Alternatively, make your own group in /5 chat and just pre made if you want the best way to improve your chances of winning.

#PugLyfe
#JustPugThings

[Shifty]

by "q as premade" u wont solve daily problems.
on live we had a tactical meeting every week
same for "class teachings" and "stuff"
but the people back on live were much better in general first
and willing to learn
not like this pugs here

[DokB]

I think it’s unrealistic to expect pugs to do half those things. You need to remember that each person might not be able to communicate with you (English might not be their preferred language), or are simply unwilling to communicate in general.

If only we could wave a magic wand and every random suddenly plays the way we want, with perfect group compositions, perfect gear slotted and perfect skill set ups. Unfortunately that will never be the case in a pug scenario, so really your best bet is to queue as a premade. Join a guild or something or make some friends with regulars that are online around the same time you are.

Find likeminded people willing to learn/communicate rather than expecting randoms to do those things.

[Shifty]

dokb...i cant speak korean
but still iam able to communicate with korean players in lol
why so? cuz numbers and ingame language is not depending on ur language speaking
so the whole "language barrier" is a complete invalid argument

"simply unwilling to communicate" that excactly is the problem at any game
bad players dont know how important informations and communicating are

the "magic wand" u speaking of is literally making premades but again
going into scs with premades doesnt solve the issue with pugs

plz come up with a better idea how to solve the pug problem and not the "i dont win enough scs" which isnt a problem since guess what
u can do premades again