Mara vs WL

[Psychocandy]

First of all, I agree that WLs need some work to add more utility and also some abilities seem as if they had been designed for pve and should be looked into.

Compared to WL mara has way more utility with the incredible amount of debuffs he has, so he is better equipped to be part of ideal melee train and 6mans.

Still, as far as BURST is concerned, WL beats the lights out of mara. Even if mara is heavily specced into brutality WL has the upper hand. I have seen some encounters where WL and mara engage 1v1 and the mara has literally no time to apply his debuffs. Before he can even begin to apply all his utility the WL has finished him. I don't think the self heal from monstro could even remotely offset the brutal frontloaded damage the WL can dish out. And in monstro stance maras cannot develop their full dps potential, nor there is much time to be switching stances. i was thinking of rolling a marauder but

1: Against rdps: if I don' have pounce to spam a gap closer and have to rely on disrupt dependant RKD (only vs mages) or morale 1 .. well
2. Against healers: detaunted=not enough burst
3. Against other mdps: if they have WL like burst I'm done for
4. Against tanks: hard contest.

Don't think pull will go a long way to solve problems as it has a cast time and can't be spammed.

And mainly because as a mdps I'd need a group, and that isn't always available all t

[iraoul]

First of all, I agree that WLs need some work to add more utility and also some abilities seem as if they had been designed for pve and should be looked into.

lol

[noisestorm]

uuhhmm.. #buffmarauder? #nerfwhitelions? Not sure what this is supposed to be

[Jail]

lol

[Marsares]

I have played a WL and a Mara and I think everyone will agree that - quite frankly - there is no comparison between the Mara and a WL as a Mara is in a much better place. The only thing that a WL has going for him is his mobility and front-loaded burst. You take any of that away, and the class is damaged beyond repair.

Remember that a Mara and a WL are not true one-on-one mirrors, like most other classes. A WL has front-loaded burst, a Mara has back-loaded burst by applying their debuffs etc. A WL has mobility, a Mara has survivability. A WL has a horrible pet where all its CC is tied to, a Mara has stances.

Give a Mara more burst and you'll have to take a significant amount of utility away. I'd give an arm and a leg for a lot of the stuff that the Mara has on my WL, most notably a INC healdebuff with self-heal tactic.

[peterthepan3]

Wait until T4 to see how lacking the WL is compared to destro counterpart.

[Dajciekrwi]

On fact - mara is mara and Wl is WL - different class-different style of playing.
Dont expect that in RoR existing a any-time-winning class. Focus better on strenght of whole your party, not indiwidual class.
If you meet some WL like Ingchar (for example) , you will mostly die, no matter how class y playing. But its not the reason to say y bad - just some ppl are better.
Find experienced team, or make one - and y can always have chance to do your and be a usefull and respected player, no matter how y can be 1vs 1.

[kok]

Remember that a Mara and a WL are not true one-on-one mirrors, like most other classes. A WL has front-loaded burst, a Mara has back-loaded burst by applying their debuffs etc. A WL has mobility, a Mara has survivability. A WL has a horrible pet where all its CC is tied to, a Mara has stances.

At present, WL pet is buggy in a good way (for them).
It can teleport all over the place. I doubt anyone is using the +50% speed tactic.
At present RoR , WL is way better than Mara in burst and dmg. The only downside for WL is heal debuff and lack of self-heal
Wait until T4 and you will see destro complaining on unstoppable, invisible pet pulling them.

[Nekkma]

Remember that we still are in T3. In T4 you can get all (most at least) useful stuff in savagery and still have points to pick up growing instability (and mutaded agressor if you like). You will also get piercing bite and the pull (altough with the current meta and stacking of disrupt the pull will be disrupted way more than on live). This mean that in T4 the mara can have alot of nice debuffs while also having respectable burst.

Do you mostly pug or play in a fixed group? I find the WL alot more fun to pug with than the mara. The burst and mobility of the WL let you engage and kill while not beein so dependent on your team. Lets face it,currently scenarios are a range fest and pugging as a mdps is horrible. It is just somewhat okish on WL due to the burst and mobility.

[Psychocandy]

Thanks a lot for the replies!
As you may notice, my post is unfinished. I copy-pasted from a word document I had been preparing and by mistake I left out the ending. I finished saying that Wl and Mara were the classes that appealed to me the most, and asked which one was better for playing without the support of a well-established group.

As a new player I had tried to "do my homework" before posting and had studied Warhammer online career builder to see the abilities and think of paths for the future. I also observed tghe two classes ingame and read a bit in teh forums. Seems like I got my conclusions a little bit mistaken. Anyway, according to the people who bothered to give valuable advice (thanks again:D) I gather that while mara is stronger in a grp setup, WL is probably better outside a group.

What i dont understand is ppl saying /lol when I say WL needs some reworking. Thats what I ve gathered from the forums. Maybe I am misinformed. Also how am I implying nerf this /buf that when I still didnt know which class to roll lol. Well, I guess my post being cut was easy to misuderstand. My apologies again.