Which Healer Tank/Dps duo to go? [Destruction]

[Tevez]

Hi there guys,

Me and my friend will be starting up RoR soon and I was wondering what a good combo for us to go would be. I have been playing a few days now on my own and have been trying out RP and liking it a great deal, however my friend may want to go Destruction side as he prefers their looks (Why would you be a tiny human when you can be a massive black orc right?).

I would much prefer playing a healer class while my friend is more fond of the Tanking classes or potentially a dps. Looking at the forums it seems DoK's are amazing for heals however I kind of prefer playing a pure healer and I dont think my friend would like DoK as dps much (He likes big guys with plate and big weapons).

Saying that, for healing I would be left with Shaman or Zealot. I love the look of shaman and played one during live however they just seemed like much worse Runepriests (and havn't heard much love for them on the forums). Where as Zealots seems a lot like RPs yet kinda look like hobos.

My friend and I will probably be mostly running PVE and Scenarios (im quite fond of just targeting all of my allies in SC and spamming heals while I run for my life ).

Any information you guys could give would be great, thanks.

[zarck95]

I love the look of shaman and played one during live however they just seemed like much worse Runepriests

What? Shaman's are Destro version of Archmage, not RPs which mirror class is Zealot.
DoK, Shaman and Zealot, all of these are really good healers, each being best at something, but I always find it really hard to make a choice there too.
If you like running high mobility toon I'll probably suggest Zealot, if you like to stand in the crowd go DoK and running best aoe heals late game, otherwise Shamans is somehow the most common idea of healer archetype and is really good at about anything.

I dont think my friend would like DoK as dps much (He likes big guys with plate and big weapons)

Your friend will end up playing a Chosen or a Black Orc if he plays for fashion purposes only, otherwise Marauder or Choppa will be pretty good choices for DPSing (yes, those aren't big guys in shiny platey armors but they have pretty huge weapons, Choppa at least)

Also I don't suggest you to run a healer + dok dps duo, doesn't makes much sense to me, dps dok's are already immortal on their own.

[spikespiegel84]

You always want a marauder in your group. Best debuffs, good damage. In t4 it will be even stronger.

[Gachimuchi]

He likes big guys

The Chosens of Chaos are pretty big guys. For Order.

[Vaul]

DoK + Mara will give you plenty of viable combinations for different environments/situations.

[spikespiegel84]

I also think, for duo, dok is a better healer. Not for the heal itself, since zealot is the best single target heal, but for the cleanse ability of negative status and, eventually, if you go melee you are a killing machine.

[Jaycub]

If you are gonna focus on duoing then your best bet is healer+RDPS, I think the best combo would be SH+Hybrid Shaman for the lakes, and just go full healing for scenarios where you are solo or duo healing your party.

If you want a duo that is going to be a jack of all trades so you can fit into 6 man premades etc... than you can't go wrong wrong DoK + any MDPS class. It just wont be as effective running around the ORvR lakes duo as the other setup.

[Tevez]

Hey guys thanks a lot for the info.

So my friend will most likely be going Chosen or Black Orc if we play Destruction. If you guys have any input on how those classes function and which works best in a duo with healer that would be great.

As for me im thinking either playing Zealot or Shaman. DoK doesn't seem like a traditional healer but I know very little about them, from live I recall they needed to DPS in order to heal. They seem like they are fairly OP since they are from what it sounds the best aoe healers and can do some really good damage while keeping themselves up.

When looking at the differences between Zealot and Shaman im a bit torn. Shaman looks the best out of all the classes (how can you beat a tiny crazed gobbo for appearance?) but I have some concerns about them.

The first is the way their innate skill works, the more healing you do the more damage you'll do on your next cast and vise versa. This seems like its kinda rubbish if you're just constantly healing as you wont receive any form of healing bonus from it (unless shamans are really good healers and the mechanic is just an added bonus).

The other thing ive been reading about them is that they have AP issues, which I guess would lead to less healing.
**Edit: Also heard that Knights of the Blazing Sun (Think thats the name whoever Order equivalent of Chosen is) have something which counters a key aspect of Shamans.

If you guys could give your preference on what healer you prefer and why that would be fantastic.

Thanks again for the info guys

[Ekundu01]

Hey guys thanks a lot for the info.

So my friend will most likely be going Chosen or Black Orc if we play Destruction. If you guys have any input on how those classes function and which works best in a duo with healer that would be great.

As for me im thinking either playing Zealot or Shaman. DoK doesn't seem like a traditional healer but I know very little about them, from live I recall they needed to DPS in order to heal. They seem like they are fairly OP since they are from what it sounds the best aoe healers and can do some really good damage while keeping themselves up.

When looking at the differences between Zealot and Shaman im a bit torn. Shaman looks the best out of all the classes (how can you beat a tiny crazed gobbo for appearance?) but I have some concerns about them.

The first is the way their innate skill works, the more healing you do the more damage you'll do on your next cast and vise versa. This seems like its kinda rubbish if you're just constantly healing as you wont receive any form of healing bonus from it (unless shamans are really good healers and the mechanic is just an added bonus).

The other thing ive been reading about them is that they have AP issues, which I guess would lead to less healing.

If you guys could give your preference on what healer you prefer and why that would be fantastic.

Thanks again for the info guys

With a shaman you can at least do a mix of both healing and toss out a dot or add extra damage to the group. If all you are doing is a duo you may need the extra damage if your buddy is going to play a tank. Killing other healers will be difficult if you are not helping him kill and he is not speced for damage. The shaman has AP drain so that will help. Shamans have better kiting tactics/abilities out of all the healers.

Zealot would be a decent choice but I would go single target spec since you would only be 2 but you will have to get used to toggling your buff on and off for damage and healing so you can help bring targets down. If you are not comfortable with that i would just play the shaman. Also your partner will have to help you to keep people off you more since you don't have much in the way of kiting tools as a zealot. I think the zealot has the potential for more damage since you only have to gear for one spec and the toggle takes care of the stat conversion vs the shaman that has to gear for both.

Not sure if that is the info you are looking for but imo best option is take both to 10 or so to get a feel for how they play and see what you like better.

[Tevez]

That really helps and clears things up Ekundo01,

Having to only gear up one set makes Zealot a lot more favourable as it will make gear choices much easier and faster to obtain. Although with shaman the extra kiting it might make it easier for my friend to stick to one target and not have to save me constantly.

I remember using the AP drain on my shaman during Live but I dont recall if it was that usefull. At least when im playing now on my RP im constantly out of AP due to spamming heals and the occasional dps so would the AP drain really have much of an affect on me?

I think the class decision might just come down to what my friend goes. If he picks Greenskins ill follow the same where as if he goes Chaos ill do so likewise.

Cheers again for the info Ekundo

**Edit: Also how does Destruction fair in SC's and PvP in general? It seems they outnumber order from what ive seen on the home page. So far on my RP we seem to win almost all of our SCs (Granted this is only in T1 and we've won 9/10 games).

Im not sure if this is due to us having more healers than the other side but at the end of the game I usually top heals (provided we win the SC) and another RP will usually come second with a decent lead over the highest Destruction healer. The healing charts I guess are a bit skewed to the winning side, so it might not be a fair point to make. **