[Black Guard]2H Disparity between IB?

[Dreadspectre]

Can someone with experience with IB and BG explain to me what the asymmetrical balance is supposed to be between 2H IB and 2H BG?

I'm looking at the career builder and the 2H IG has some really nice abilities not only in function(in the mastery tree I mean) but also are affected by Grudge for damage. None of the BG tree abilities do increased damage based on Hatred and the utilities are different.

Just looking for some insights on what one can do the other cant.

[TenTonHammer]

IB gains a reliable on demand cc abililty in cave in that has a 10s long cool down while keeping access to all there strong group ulitltiy ability and till able to spec all of good stuff they have access too

2h BG on the other had gains only the ability to better assist melee trains with crimson death, everything else like high armor debuff, wounds debuff, undetuantable, no cooldown outgoing heal debuff SnB BG in dps spec can do while retaining acess to the longest kd in the gmae

yeah CDs a hard hitting ability but 5s duration is too short for you team to make good use of
if it was 10s like before the devs changed it the you would have 100% uptime on the ability and then it would be worth taking

[Vdova]

If we talk about pure single target dps spec, while still providing nice buffs for oathfriend and self, + verry nice CC like Cave in, rune etched KB+snare from tactic + single target knockback, IB is the masterpiece.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... 749:3759:0:

As You can see here, U have single target Knockdown(with dot), 10% crit chance+strenght buff for self and oathfriend, 25% parry+initiate buff for self and oathfriend, 10%dmg,5%parry tactic and tactic for rune etched which do AOE knockback+40%snare(like lesser earthshatter).

With full parry renown tactic U can reach nearly 50% parry with buff same as 25% critical chance thanks to buff and tactic(without item bonuses)

While IB is more single target + buff oriented, BG is more AOE + Debuff oriented.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... :894:904:0:

As You can se here, If You want to build Your BG fully DPS, U get AOE debuff, which gives Your enemy 10% increased to be crit for 5s, 120 wounds debuff tactic for anyone You crit + 50% AA haste and 15% crit chance tactic for 5 seconds if You spent hatred(U will spent a lot ) and ofcourse toughnes debuff and automatic detaunt dispeller tactic.

On other hand Your parry with full renown in parry will be only 18%(without item bonuses) and Your crit rate will be only 15%(without item bonuses) if You didnt spent renown points in to crit chance.
You will also have verry limited CC(no knockdown, only single target knockback, no AOE snare or knockback)

So If You build Your BG as DPS, U will not be as tanky as IB and insted of some nice buffs, You will get some nice debuffs.

If I had to chose I would vote for IB, because BG has many trade offs between dmg/survivability/cc while IB can have all 3 together.

[Tesq]

-crit from bg is 10% and it require 2h+ high on mastery-> bad
-aa increase do not booost your aoe--> bad
-the not in common stuff between you and IB are all debuff which are even less relevant cuz IB just have crazy buff that stack( like crit buff )with anything else and so for exemple buffing a 10% aoe to a slayer or BW will just make his aoe better while you just can debuff 1 ppl for every hit---> bad

Ib get is utility tools (all of em!! and s+b!!) in 1 build and they are between 5-9 points while bg need to get in every path between 9-13 for have his utility stuff which suck and is worst than IB one.

-then WE do more damage than WH which mean BG heal debuff is not needed further remove 1 utility from bg and 1 of the main reasopn why you get that.

sum

IB>>> BG

[Tklees]

And tesq strikes again

[TenTonHammer]

What vdova and tesq missed is that

You get 15 crit from tactic 10 from CD then you can eaisly get 5-10% chance from gear furthermore on average an enemy target has atleast 10% chance to be crit your looking atleast 40% or more chance to crit furthermore even though bgs dmg is physical they have the highest armor debuff in the game after Mara and furthermore can ignore 25% armor along with the second highest wounds debuff combine that with the inability to be detaunted and bgs dps is on par with that of bos


Furthermore while your parry rate is not as high you have parry on demand with elite training

[Shadowgurke]

What vdova and tesq missed is that

You get 15 crit from tactic 10 from CD then you can eaisly get 5-10% chance from gear furthermore on average an enemy target has atleast 10% chance to be crit your looking atleast 40% or more chance to crit furthermore even though bgs dmg is physical they have the highest armor debuff in the game after Mara and furthermore can ignore 25% armor along with the second highest wounds debuff combine that with the inability to be detaunted and bgs dps is on par with that of bos


Furthermore while your parry rate is not as high you have parry on demand with elite training

That sounds like the classic level 45 spec!

[TenTonHammer]

That sounds like the classic level 45 spec!

nope

cookie cutter 40/70 2H bg spec

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... :894:0:905:

[Shadowgurke]

nope

cookie cutter 40/70 2H bg spec

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... :894:0:905:

that is what I said. Everybody is posting level 35 builds and you respond with a 29 point build

[TenTonHammer]

Dont focus on the now

broaden your state of mind and look to the future

Even at 35/40 2H bg is just a shitty wanna be mdps the play style cant kick off till you have all 4 (or atleast 3) core tactics