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Tenroc
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I'm just a beardling but...

Post#1 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:58 am

Wrote this and was lookin for opinions or if I am doing stuff wrong

Ok.. Something I've noticed recently in scenarios is people just flailing around in melee and not really getting a lot done. BTW I'm playing order.

So I just wanted to post some here and try to get a feel for what I should be doing and establish a "target priority system"

Again I'm new at this so if anyone feels they have something to add or if I am wrong somewhere please feel free to point it out.

Last note: I am not some funky cross realmer so I don't pretend to know 100% all the skills out there for destro.

So if you're order and in the front line (tanks and melee dps) you should be issuing your whacking in this order.

1. witch elves-- omg it annoys me so much when one of these underclad harlots prances around uncloaked in the front lines. Kill her dead. She does good damage but wears like no armor, both are good reasons for every order melee character should pound her in the face. Killing her quickly gets her out of the way so order melee can focus on the slightly more challenging choppa.
2. Choppa-- he's the slayer counter part...he's the dps King amongst destro melee. But he still doesn't have a lot of defense so kill him when the witch elf is dead.
3. Marauder-- I his dps is better than the destro tank classes... So get to him next.
4. DoK-- I'll just put him here cause they melee fairly often. He's annoying and he heals so kill him when the dps are dead.
5. Black ork, black guard, and chosen in that order. (Basically assuming dps is similar to their order counterparts).
6. Last note: on heals... I feel we win when our healers are better than theirs and melee characters do a good job stressing their healers out. Which is another reason I like to chop up the witch elf first. It's much more stressful for a healer to keep her alive as opposed to keeping a chosen alive.

Okay so that covers melee. Now if you are physical ranged (engineer and sw) you should be shooting their healers... Let's face it healers all have good wisdom and decent resists.. But crap armor. Shoot them lots. But if they are hanging back and out of range its good just to shoot witch elves and basically follow the priority above.

Btw I freaking love witch elves. I don't know if it damsel in distress syndrome or if all the destro healers are constantly clicking on them for some nefarious reason... But they seem to draw tons of heals. Just something I've noticed but if destro healers want to spend time overhealing their witch elves that's cool... It keeps them busy while order ranged dps is shooting them.

Ranged spell DPS.(yeah dwarves we don't "do" spell dps) .. Well if you're a bright wizard you should just park next to healer and explode everything that comes in range.

The main reason I'm writing this is I've played through a bunch of scenarios watching a bunch of order melee waste their time beating on chosen when there are much better targets out there.
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Post#2 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:11 am

Hmmm decent observation a little basic though but I guess that's because the amount of depth a subject like target selection can have is huge.

All in a good basic template.
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Post#3 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:16 am

Tenroc wrote: Btw I freaking love witch elves. I don't know if it damsel in distress syndrome or if all the destro healers are constantly clicking on them for some nefarious reason... But they seem to draw tons of heals. Just something I've noticed but if destro healers want to spend time overhealing their witch elves that's cool... It keeps them busy while order ranged dps is shooting them.
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Tenroc
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Post#4 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:23 am

Well it's simple because people are unlikely to remember a big long rule system for target selection. Honestly I'm happy as long as destro melee dps is dying, tarts are learning to get dressed before they show up on the battlefield, and I'm not stuck hacking on a tank just because that's who everyone's targeting.
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Post#5 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:33 am

I think healers should be the 1. most of the time, without heal all off them die much faster ;)
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Post#6 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:37 am

The reason why destroes overheal we's is very simple... most of "frontline" we's are in premades.
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Post#7 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am

Nishka wrote:The reason why destroes overheal we's is very simple... most of "frontline" we's are in premades.
^^This. It's almost impossible to play a WE in scens without a guard and healbot in T3 :D. Being able to spot stealthers from miles away doesn't help.

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Post#8 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:05 pm

Zaccar20 wrote:I think healers should be the 1. most of the time, without heal all off them die much faster ;)
Generally this is a mistake that leads to bad over extending.
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Post#9 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:12 pm

The point is melee shouldn't be killing healers, DOK is cool to hit if he's infront of you. Shaman gets a self punt so if he's running near you he's likely baiting you to over extend and die. Zealots will occasionally saunter by and if you get a chance feel free to smack them as long as nothing else is near (unlikely).

The point is to "stress" the healers. If melee is doing their job slapping on WE's and Choppa's then your keeping them busy to keep their melee dps standing. Then if an engineer or two starts shooting one healer a lot.... Well that's awful stressful for a healer which makes him choose 1) stay put and heal the melee (in which case he dies in a fire) or he backs up and self heals leaving his melee without healing (melee then dies in a fire).

? Or am I wrong?
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Post#10 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:20 pm

Tenroc wrote:The point is melee shouldn't be killing healers, DOK is cool to hit if he's infront of you. Shaman gets a self punt so if he's running near you he's likely baiting you to over extend and die. Zealots will occasionally saunter by and if you get a chance feel free to smack them as long as nothing else is near (unlikely).

The point is to "stress" the healers. If melee is doing their job slapping on WE's and Choppa's then your keeping them busy to keep their melee dps standing. Then if an engineer or two starts shooting one healer a lot.... Well that's awful stressful for a healer which makes him choose 1) stay put and heal the melee (in which case he dies in a fire) or he backs up and self heals leaving his melee without healing (melee then dies in a fire).

? Or am I wrong?

Seems pretty accurate to me. You can't push enemy backline if their melee train is still up, so you keep the melee train from your healers while your ranged pressure their healers, dump burst to make a hole then push.

... I think that last part came out wrong.

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