[Warrior Priest]Absence of Faith

[Bretin]

I don't have any objections to giving WPs a 50% inc hd (or change it to outgoing, or whatever the hell WPs want to do with Absence of Faith).

However, are they keeping the free AoE detaunt when using a 2H? If WP is receiving another buff, then maybe it is time Doks receive the free AoE detaunt when using 2 swords (or just remove it from WPs and think of something else for both melee healing specs).

Honestly the DoK definitely does not need a buff at all and if the detaunt should stay or not isn't a matter of this thread. we can discuss it in a second thread and see what people think if we might got this rework for AoF done - assuming the ppl agree on it within the next days - ?

[Tklees]

Maybe we should make some suggesions about zealot, if we want to see them in place of 2xdok?

all zealot needs is a fix to their weird ass trees so that they can have a dedicated healing tree

Zealots are fine. As are RPs. They get 0 specable healing abilities. Only the rune/rituals and CC.

[TenTonHammer]

Zealots are fine. As are RPs. They get 0 specable healing abilities. Only the rune/rituals and CC.

aww but i want to swap lunacy and innervation

[Penril]

I don't have any objections to giving WPs a 50% inc hd (or change it to outgoing, or whatever the hell WPs want to do with Absence of Faith).

However, are they keeping the free AoE detaunt when using a 2H? If WP is receiving another buff, then maybe it is time Doks receive the free AoE detaunt when using 2 swords (or just remove it from WPs and think of something else for both melee healing specs).

Honestly the DoK definitely does not need a buff at all and if the detaunt should stay or not isn't a matter of this thread. we can discuss it in a second thread and see what people think if we might got this rework for AoF done - assuming the ppl agree on it within the next days - ?

Maybe Dok doesnt need a buff, but still lets compare these classes (assuming WP gets 50% hd).

Dps specs for both usually consist of:

- Divine Fury
- AA haste tactic
- 10% crit & parry tactic

Doks last tactic is their 50% inc hd on crit, while WP goes either for AoE detaunt or extra damage on Prayer procs. If AoF is changed to 50% (something i agree with) they would have (in a way) 2 free tactics when compared to doks (AoE detaunt and inc hd). I think that is a little too much.

My sugestion? Reduce AoF cd to 10 secs, and change one of their core tactics and make it similar to Deadly Clutch. It will increase the hd on AoF to 50% AND heal the WP for 25% of the heals his target receives (helping with his survivabiliy). So the WP would need to use a tactic slot for that debuff (like doks) but being a curse as well as a self-heal, i think it makes it almost good as Curse of Khaine.

[TenTonHammer]

Wow leech heal + self healing?

Thats a lot of surviveability

[Penril]

Wow leech heal + self healing?

Thats a lot of surviveability

I suggested that on purpose, so they lose the free AoE detaunt.

[Sigimund]

Wow leech heal + self healing?

Thats a lot of surviveability

I suggested that on purpose, so they lose the free AoE detaunt.

It is a clever idea but the free AoE detaunt was intended to help Grace as well. Replacing it with something tied to AoF makes it a Wrath only thing. Either keep the AoE detaunt until Shield of Sigmar can be redesigned or just keep it and mirror it to DoK.

If Shield became a reliable personal survival tool it would benefit Grace from the midgame and Wrath in the endgame. Replacing the need for the AoE detaunt, if you really want it gone.

Edit: Although interesting, all of this is still off topic. There is no objection here to AoF being 50% but a DoK vs WP balance discussion belongs in another thread.

[Penril]

Fair enough. Im against it then, because you would be giving WPs the equivalent of 2 free tactics already when compared to Doks.

Give them a core tactic that reduces cd to 10 secs and changes AoF to 50% though and im ok with that. Maybe Divine Reward?

[ThePollie]

Give them a core tactic that reduces cd to 10 secs and changes AoF to 50% though and im ok with that. Maybe Divine Reward?

Entirely. Nothing else needs done to the ability. It doesn't need damage, a heal, or anything of the sort. Just put it on par with other heal-debuffs.

Edit - To clarify, I do not approve of making it a tactic-based buff. We are already starved for tactic slots, as is. If they could remove Divine Fury as a tactic and make it a core mechanic ability ( akin to zealots ), I wouldn't mind it. As it stands, a tactic won't suffice.

[Sigimund]

If you go the tactic route, put it where Intimidating Repent is and drop IR to core. IR doesn't do much for Wrath at the moment and a core tactic buffing a specced ability like AoF doesn't make much sense.