Remove GTDC

[Phantasm]

Spoiler:

Also, can we get Choppa DPS nerfted by 1/3 please, so he is more balanced and more in the same line with other Destro melee DPS?
Thank you.

it already happened
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/20483

Well, for the first time I thought this thread is some sorf of sarcastic comedy, so i added something funny to it as well.

I know pretty well that Order melee are much better than Destro, look at 6 months statistics:


Averages to a RvR victim (DMG%):
1) White Lion -12104
2) Slayer - 11957
3) Choppa -11044
4) Witch Hunter -9232
5) Witch Elf - 8877
6) Marauder -7147

To be fair stats should exclude lowbies that experiment with gear and spec, also soloers being ganked on way or afk in rvr zone.



Clearly almost all mdps are on same par except Maras, not sure why it is so hard to utilise mara dps potential. Class has very similar stats (gear and spec) to WL but lags behind noticeably.

GTDC is mainly pug killer, if order bring anything organised and healers and tanks press right buttons, GTDC becomes a meme.

[Dackjanielz]

"GTDC is a 13pt ability, rampage is a 5pt ability, GTDC is the equipvalence of ID but yeah why not? as long as choppa can have rampage im fine with it."

Well no because that would repeat the problem, both are a problem.

I was thinking more like choppa gets ID - then both AOE trees are the same, equal grounds.

Rampage would be replaced by something else entirely, i dunno, something which helps the trollslayer tree up a bit....to my knowledge no one plays it and it doesn't perform very well as a path.

[Scottx125]

Spoiler:

Where did the kills occur? Under what circumstances?

Circumstances are pretty clear from the filters.

Kills occured in RvR, including all RR characters, in all RvR zones, in all timezones, including all solo kills.
Or do want me to study each RvR zone alon or stats for different timezones US/CHINA/EU separately?

I don't know what it proves to you but I play EvE online for 15 years and studying killboards is something that is essencial for every alliance to survive in the game. You need study you enemy before fighting him. So for me killboard data means a lot, a lot more than a subjective posting about "fun" in game.

You clearly don't understand. My point was, certain areas facilitate kills more easily. Fighting slayers on a bridge or narrow choke point inherently gives them advantage. And if destro has been doing a lot of that, that can skew the data in favour of order. Or if they've been doing a lot of open field battles, that again skews the data. Are these kills mostly solo or are they warband based? You're taking a few pieces of K/D data and jumping to a conclusion of "Yep, these guys outperform them because they killed more". The ORVR data is nice but there aren't nearly enough data points to draw any realistic balance conclusions. More kills does not necessarily mean stronger balance.

[Cyrylius]

That's not few pieces, that's all the k/d data on the server. And I like how we can bring it up anytime to show that for every mirror order mdps does better than destro equivalent.

[Culexus]

Remove pull from GTDC and buff the damage. Outside of RvR it's just free immunities anyway. This will be choppa's ID equivalent

Make rampage require a great weapon and put at the top of st tree for both slayer and choppa, finally making st spec useful for these classes.

[Dackjanielz]

Remove pull from GTDC and buff the damage. Outside of RvR it's just free immunities anyway. This will be choppa's ID equivalent

Make rampage require a great weapon and put at the top of st tree for both slayer and choppa, finally making st spec useful for these classes.

This is good, i like this.
Altho it would mean choppa loses one of his 2h abilities to fit rampage in.....Cleft in twain could move into trollslayer, that should do it.
Make sure rampage is single target only, should be ok then.

[Andamarine]

To be fair stats should exclude lowbies that experiment with gear and spec, also soloers being ganked on way or afk in rvr zone.

Clearly almost all mdps are on same par except Maras, not sure why it is so hard to utilise mara dps potential. Class has very similar stats (gear and spec) to WL but lags behind noticeably.

Fair point.

I wanted to have largest sample of kills possible which include 1,24M kills.

Your sample is only 1,15M of kills, but everyone can see how bad the game is for lvl60- characters and how low is contribution to kills. Half of slayers on killboard is below RR60, more than 2/3 of Choppas is below lvl60, only 647 white lions from more than 1600 active are RR60+ and only 470 from 1337 Maras are RR60+ etc. So like 50-66 percent of active melee characters on server is below RR60 and they only make 90k kills compared to 1,15M of kills made by RR60+ characters. It is only 7 percent from all kills, so much for player retention here.

I think you point about average DPS is valid but i think the difference between our samples is not made by experiements with gear or by ganging, but it is made by gear. Destro has a lot more RR60- characters and less active RR60+ (it is 1900+ active RR60+ melee characters on Order side vs 1700+ RR60+ melee chars on Destro side).

And as you can see their contribution to the kills is just a few percent, so when you filter out RR60- characters , it improves DPS more for the rest of Destro. But still the diference between Mara and WL is astronomical for all RR filters you can use.

Also, I would like to point out, that the fact, that Destro has more low RR and badly geared characters is just a consequence of Order dominance in RvR for 2 years now. There is more toxic chat on Desto side, players more prone to leave the game for good, socialy is more fragmented and more dependant on Xrealmers to achieve anything in RvR.

[Caduceus]

How about we first fix pulls in general?

Pulls through walls and floors, pulls out of LoS, pulls out of range, etc.

These bugs all make the problem much worse than it perhaps really is. So lets first fix things and then determine what is still a problem and what isn't.

[geezereur]

Guard should parry and block damage from rampage its so dumb that it dont.

[sceptered]

How about we add all 24 professions in two domains and it won't be a problem