We got balance problem? Really?

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[Rapzel]

What you said, Ekundu01, is the most accurate in my eyes.

If i hate something, thats undefendable and random pulls right into the death melee blob (choppa pulls), and other CC abilities, which do not trigger appropriate immunity ...

That is very bad design and needs to be changed.

You do realise that choppa pull is defendable right? And has been for almost a year or so.

[Rapzel]

A lot of cities numbers are intentionally being skewed and many organized destro players are playing Order and it’s fairly noticeable. It happened when AoE Mara was reverted and Windblock fixed from stacking.

NA we’re seeing 65%+ Order w/ Destro either helping order until city or playing T3 NA time from a screenshot of region chatter I saw.

Our guild rerolled about 2.5g of us last week to destro just for NA destro choosing to play when population is broken to counter the destro playing Order just trying to make city happen and not oRvR.

Destro just won 7-1 for 4* Altdorf. So when they choose to play destro when it’s worth the stars, it’s not too difficult for >70% win rate.

I don't think I've ever agreed with you before, but it's nice to see that we're finally agreeing about something.

[Ninjagon]

What you said, Ekundu01, is the most accurate in my eyes.

If i hate something, thats undefendable and random pulls right into the death melee blob (choppa pulls), and other CC abilities, which do not trigger appropriate immunity ...

That is very bad design and needs to be changed.

You do realise that choppa pull is defendable right? And has been for almost a year or so.

Really? And how do you defend, if that effect is triggered by random and over and over again?

[M0rw47h]

What you said, Ekundu01, is the most accurate in my eyes.

If i hate something, thats undefendable and random pulls right into the death melee blob (choppa pulls), and other CC abilities, which do not trigger appropriate immunity ...

That is very bad design and needs to be changed.

You do realise that choppa pull is defendable right? And has been for almost a year or so.

Really? And how do you defend, if that effect is triggered by random and over and over again?

You ask how you defend attacks? You parry/block them in case of Choppa.
It's random target, during 6s channel [20s CD], which you can just interrupt, like any other channel.

[Mordd]

I love how the Op lists ST IB buffs (which really shouldnt even make a list like this) but doesnt list the BG ST buffs.

While he also ignores aoe WS debuff from thee mara.

He lists the BW and Knight M4 moral drains that no one can really spec for but ignores the Mara AOE moral drain because they dont spec for it.

The list is nothing more than the typical propaganda.
There are differences between each side. he tries to gloss past the huge ones and introduce a bunch of little things to confuse the issue.

Since you think the moral issue doesnt matter any more then you wont care if they remove all self pumps and make the shammy one an active, you have to work for it like thee AM pump. This is what should be done.

[TreefAM]

I love how the Op lists ST IB buffs (which really shouldnt even make a list like this) but doesnt list the BG ST buffs.

While he also ignores aoe WS debuff from thee mara.

He lists the BW and Knight M4 moral drains that no one can really spec for but ignores the Mara AOE moral drain because they dont spec for it.

The list is nothing more than the typical propaganda.
There are differences between each side. he tries to gloss past the huge ones and introduce a bunch of little things to confuse the issue.

Since you think the moral issue doesnt matter any more then you wont care if they remove all self pumps and make the shammy one an active, you have to work for it like thee AM pump. This is what should be done.

what ST bg buffs lol, the only one worth mentioning is the armor one because it stacks with pots

[Mordd]

I love how the Op lists ST IB buffs (which really shouldnt even make a list like this) but doesnt list the BG ST buffs.

While he also ignores aoe WS debuff from thee mara.

He lists the BW and Knight M4 moral drains that no one can really spec for but ignores the Mara AOE moral drain because they dont spec for it.

The list is nothing more than the typical propaganda.
There are differences between each side. he tries to gloss past the huge ones and introduce a bunch of little things to confuse the issue.

Since you think the moral issue doesnt matter any more then you wont care if they remove all self pumps and make the shammy one an active, you have to work for it like thee AM pump. This is what should be done.

what ST bg buffs lol, the only one worth mentioning is the armor one because it stacks with pots

thats the point none of them are worth putting on a list like this. A single player buff isnt a realm balance issue its class balance. Its just fluff on the list to make it look bigger.

[Dekata]

Goal of this post isn't making any statements, just gathering some informations (not all) about differences between realms as we got plenty of realm biased topics lately.

Destro:

• 25% incoming hd Aura. [Chosen]
• Heavy AP drain "support" build. [Marauder]
• Two extra pulls in warband play. [Choppa/Marauder]
• AoE knockdown in form of Conclussive Jolt. [Marauder]
• Additional cooldown reduction in form of Chopp fasta. [Choppa]
• AoE wounds debuff that doesn't require 2h or speccing into it. [Chosen]
• Heavy nuke 50% incoming healing debuff in form of Windblock. [Zealot]
• Group morale pump for 'Ere We Go! allowing better morale game. [Shaman]
• Self morale pump tactics allowing better morale game. [CH/BO/Sorc/SH/Zeal]
• M1 that not only strips armor, but also resists. Excellent for supporting ST groups. [Zealot]
• Monstro marauder is pretty tanky due to stance proc compared to other mdps. [Marauder]
• Knockbacks that don't give immunities and are repeative in form of Outta My Way and Wind of Insanity. [SH/Zealot]

Order:

• Group AP feed. [IB]
• Extra interrupt. [WL]
• +10% shared crit buff. [IB]
• +25% shared parry buff. [IB]
• 20% AoE damage reduction. [SM]
• Single target morale pump. [AM]
• AoE morale drain every 30s. [SW]
• Group wounds buff. [Warrior Priest]
• +5% group wide crit tactic. [Knight]
• +15% healing incoming Aura. [Knight]
• +20% outgoing healing tactic. [Warrior Priest]
• AoE +1 cast time for 5s reseting fights M2. [AM]
• Morale reset attached to heavy nuke M4. [BW/Knight]
• More AoE damage dealt than it's mirror due to Funnel Power. [BW]
• Ability to ignore parry and block, both on targets and their guards on carrer combined with AoE cooldown increase. [SL]

Spoiler:

Personaly I think there IS balance problem, but it's more problem of order vs order than order vs destruction. I mean... it's hard to compete with Slayers as dps, they have everything, utility included. In case of destro, you can pick up mSH to compete with Maras and Choppas, it may do less dmg, but it will bring you cooldown increaser that no other destro class have, but guess who has it on order? Well, Slayer. Nerfing BHA and not allowing to use it in Assault was another pounch into the face, as previously you could do BHA+SFA when in danger in Assault to "match" Mara monstro and go back skirmish when safe to drop LA+B with occasional WW+VoM Barrage spam as morale drain train (Mara has to dance Brutality for morale drain), but thats just top of iceberg. Destro doesn't need any nerfs. It's Order who does need some work and relocation of tools between classes and minor fixes to make them more desirable to bring over stacking Slayers.

this game never be so shitty as now. Ofc if you dont play destro

[Onigokko0101]

I love how the Op lists ST IB buffs (which really shouldnt even make a list like this) but doesnt list the BG ST buffs.

While he also ignores aoe WS debuff from thee mara.

He lists the BW and Knight M4 moral drains that no one can really spec for but ignores the Mara AOE moral drain because they dont spec for it.

The list is nothing more than the typical propaganda.
There are differences between each side. he tries to gloss past the huge ones and introduce a bunch of little things to confuse the issue.

Since you think the moral issue doesnt matter any more then you wont care if they remove all self pumps and make the shammy one an active, you have to work for it like thee AM pump. This is what should be done.

BW can absolutely spec for AoE morale drain, and they have a morale pump that (almost) pumps to M4 as fast as Zealot.