[Warrior Priest]Absence of Faith

[Koha]

And I don't believe this ability needs to deal damage, itself. Nobody using this ability will care about the damage, they'll use it for the debuff.

The ability is undefendable without a damage component afaik.

That said, i'd rather like to see other melee support utilities on the class. The incoming healdebuff should be a DD exclusive (for the same reason i don't like it on the dok etc.).
Imo it would be better if the debuffs in the wrath tree help your own group in a defensive way, for instance by debuffing the enemies damage potential, like the slayers "enervating blow" or something like that.

Debuffing enemies damage with WP or DOK will surely make them OP. The frail balance = (damage taken VS self healing) should not be changed.
The proposal of change in Absence of Faith, will not jeopardize this balance, so it should not make DPS WP more OP than it is.
I agree that it should be a 2H ability.

PROS :
a) DOK hd proc on crit = real effective 100% uptime (will reapply quickly after vanish or cure with a decent crit chance and DW). Absence of Faith on 10 sec CD, can be cured by shamans and zealots
b) at least 1 real group utility for DPS WP
c) DPS of WP is still low
d) melee ability (DOK can proc at distance with Essence lash and Fist of Khaine (+first tick of Fell sacrifice) ?
e) can be cured by shaman/zealot = one more chance to see them endgame and not 2xDOK

CONS :
a) might kill heals alone... No, just kiding
b) I might not shout anymore ''take a book'' to DPS WP in scenarios.

[Azarael]

The ability is undefendable without a damage component afaik.

Not correct. The system works such that any ability command can run a defense check. It's just that by default, commands other than ones which deal direct damage do not run a defense check, because the main defense checks are in the damage handlers.

[Morf]

I think this is a no brainer, what use is a 25% heal debuff with a 20 sec cooldown, joke of a heal debuff really, if it was aoe I could see its usefulness but as its st it needs a rework.

[rmpl]

I see no reason not to.

[Luth]

The ability is undefendable without a damage component afaik.

Not correct. The system works such that any ability command can run a defense check. It's just that by default, commands other than ones which deal direct damage do not run a defense check, because the main defense checks are in the damage handlers.

Iirc it could not be defended against on the mythic server, so i guessed it works the same here.

[Azarael]

Yeah, by default it works as you describe.

[Atropik]

e) can be cured by shaman/zealot = one more chance to see them endgame and not 2xDOK

Maybe we should make some suggesions about zealot, if we want to see them in place of 2xdok?

b) I might not shout anymore ''take a book'' to DPS WP in scenarios.

Order pug still needs more Dps WP in scenarios.

[TenTonHammer]

Maybe we should make some suggesions about zealot, if we want to see them in place of 2xdok?

all zealot needs is a fix to their weird ass trees so that they can have a dedicated healing tree

[Luth]

I had a comment halfway done to explain/show why i'm against this change in particular and why i think that another approach to generally balance the game would be much better.
But unfortunately this is way more complex and likely can't be done with the client restrictions atm.

[Penril]

I don't have any objections to giving WPs a 50% inc hd (or change it to outgoing, or whatever the hell WPs want to do with Absence of Faith).

However, are they keeping the free AoE detaunt when using a 2H? If WP is receiving another buff, then maybe it is time Doks receive the free AoE detaunt when using 2 swords (or just remove it from WPs and think of something else for both melee healing specs).