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Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:24 pm
by Vdova
Azuzu wrote:Azarael wrote:Stealth will no longer break when taking AoE damage.
If AoE does not break stealth, how is one suppose to protect themselves from being opened on when they know a WE/WH is near trying to open on them.
Come T4, WEs/WHs have the potential to kill some classes before they can even get up off the ground from the knockdown. The only protection those classes have is trying to outplay the WE/WH and not let them get their opening.
By removing AoE breaking stealth, your basically rewarding bad play and punishing good play.
If I'm mindful enough and aware enough of my surroundings to know a WH/WE is going to jump me, I try and take away their advantage of the opening.
Good, WEs/WHs will take a non-direct angle to avoid being hit by the AoE so they can get their opening. Removing AoE breaking stealth, basically takes away any strategy involved in opening on someone.
It seems You never played any of those classes(WE,WH)
To be honest, stealth is ONE and ONLY reason why would anyone play those 2 classes. Stealth is theyr only advantage over other MDPS. Without stealth (current state) those classes are pretty much useless.
Every healer, rdps and MDPS spamming AOE dmg. Engies, BWs, SLayers everyone has up to 40 feet aoe. Using stealth to attack backlines is mission impossible Everytime You get closer on +-30feet any of those AOE will instantly break Your stealth.
Find an angle to 360 degreese AOEs BW, engie and slayers have? common....
If You see WE/WH poping stealth, You should have Your finger prepared on ST/AOE detaunt or any kind of damage reduction abbility. Its general knowledge.
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:11 pm
by lilsabin
then make stealth permanent , so we have time to manage our attacks
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:33 pm
by Renork
lilsabin wrote:then make stealth permanent , so we have time to manage our attacks
No. Whoever thought of the concept should never be allowed to make other games. We do not need groups of stealthers in this game.
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:02 pm
by Moeroes
Azuzu wrote:Azarael wrote:Stealth will no longer break when taking AoE damage.
If AoE does not break stealth, how is one suppose to protect themselves from being opened on when they know a WE/WH is near trying to open on them.
Come T4, WEs/WHs have the potential to kill some classes before they can even get up off the ground from the knockdown. The only protection those classes have is trying to outplay the WE/WH and not let them get their opening.
By removing AoE breaking stealth, your basically rewarding bad play and punishing good play.
If I'm mindful enough and aware enough of my surroundings to know a WH/WE is going to jump me, I try and take away their advantage of the opening.
Good, WEs/WHs will take a non-direct angle to avoid being hit by the AoE so they can get their opening. Removing AoE breaking stealth, basically takes away any strategy involved in opening on someone.
Surviving against WE/WH:
- Anticipate their opener
- Prepot
- Detaunt asap (you will see the WSCT status effect before they actually appear)
- Start kiting away
- Profit
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:05 pm
by Moeroes
Moeroes wrote:Azuzu wrote:Azarael wrote:Stealth will no longer break when taking AoE damage.
If AoE does not break stealth, how is one suppose to protect themselves from being opened on when they know a WE/WH is near trying to open on them.
Come T4, WEs/WHs have the potential to kill some classes before they can even get up off the ground from the knockdown. The only protection those classes have is trying to outplay the WE/WH and not let them get their opening.
By removing AoE breaking stealth, your basically rewarding bad play and punishing good play.
If I'm mindful enough and aware enough of my surroundings to know a WH/WE is going to jump me, I try and take away their advantage of the opening.
Good, WEs/WHs will take a non-direct angle to avoid being hit by the AoE so they can get their opening. Removing AoE breaking stealth, basically takes away any strategy involved in opening on someone.
Surviving against WE/WH:
- Anticipate their opener
- Prepot
- Detaunt and move asap (you will see the WSCT status effect of their opener before they actually appear)
- Start kiting away
- Profit
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:06 pm
by Libra
lilsabin wrote:then make stealth permanent , so we have time to manage our attacks
Or make stealth last much longer, let's say 5 min. Then we both have time to surprise them inhead of time and making them regret for our 'strategic positioning'.
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:24 am
by Jezz08
How about keep stealth the way it was I have played both a WE and WH at rr100 and stealth was not that bad or hard to use try not attacking people head on that way you should not get aoe'ed and if they see you stealth up before you jump them well..... learn to play a assassin better. As for group play you don't get to stealth half the time coz of dots not aoe.
Making stealth last 5min is sorry that is the most idiotic thing i've ever heard. If you people stop QQing half the time and learn to play you class then you would be fine but all you do is say " buff this coz I am bad!"
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:44 am
by lilsabin
Jezz08 wrote:How about keep stealth the way it was I have played both a WE and WH at rr100 and stealth was not that bad or hard to use try not attacking people head on that way you should not get aoe'ed and if they see you stealth up before you jump them well..... learn to play a assassin better. As for group play you don't get to stealth half the time coz of dots not aoe.
Making stealth last 5min is sorry that is the most idiotic thing i've ever heard. If you people stop QQing half the time and learn to play you class then you would be fine but all you do is say " buff this coz I am bad!"
loool , learn to play an assassin class better ? dood , u kiddin me , we/wh are not assassins , if ur stealth get blown , it s game over dood . The game mechanic is old , it need to adapt to new type (wow , rift, etc...) where stealth is permanant or have a lesser cooldown , look at the evolution (expantion) of other mmos , and plz dont tell me wow and rift are **** .
WE GET A 2 SECOND CAST ON STEALTH AND A 30 SECS COOLDOWN ONCE WE GET BLOWN UP AND NO OTHER WAY TO GO BACK , dood , it takes 2 second to get in stealth mode , do u know what dat mean ... people can anticipate ur move before u do **** cause they just saw u disappear ... anyway , i got so many thing to say , but i am tired and english is not my first language
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:49 am
by Jaycub
Jezz08 wrote:How about keep stealth the way it was I have played both a WE and WH at rr100 and stealth was not that bad or hard to use try not attacking people head on that way you should not get aoe'ed and if they see you stealth up before you jump them well..... learn to play a assassin better. As for group play you don't get to stealth half the time coz of dots not aoe.
Making stealth last 5min is sorry that is the most idiotic thing i've ever heard. If you people stop QQing half the time and learn to play you class then you would be fine but all you do is say " buff this coz I am bad!"
>just get RR100 and its good
>tell people to git gud
8/8 m8
Re: WH/WE Changes
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:04 am
by Moeroes
Jaycub wrote:Jezz08 wrote:How about keep stealth the way it was I have played both a WE and WH at rr100 and stealth was not that bad or hard to use try not attacking people head on that way you should not get aoe'ed and if they see you stealth up before you jump them well..... learn to play a assassin better. As for group play you don't get to stealth half the time coz of dots not aoe.
Making stealth last 5min is sorry that is the most idiotic thing i've ever heard. If you people stop QQing half the time and learn to play you class then you would be fine but all you do is say " buff this coz I am bad!"
>just get RR100 and its good
>tell people to git gud
8/8 m8
This and may I add with the fix stealth IS the way it was on live? It did not break on AoE..