Return of Reckoning

Jaycub wrote:I've seen like 3 DPS AM in the past month myself included in SC's. Have never seen you once. There aren't that many DPS AM, and you seem to be pretty full of yourself man :^)

Because I play destro side.
And yes I am, because I know every inch of this class. It was my main on the old servers and I played it as dps before it became mainstream. It was a time when people blamed dps healers for playing how they want in SC. Nowadays nobody cares and all play or die for themselves.

Sulorie wrote:

wos wrote:could all way learn a trick or two from how others play not just u suck u need to play like me

No, play like you want. I won't give tips for dps am, because there are already too many of them. Luckily no good ones.

DPS AM need more gear than what is available now.

Sulorie wrote:

Jaycub wrote:I've seen like 3 DPS AM in the past month myself included in SC's. Have never seen you once. There aren't that many DPS AM, and you seem to be pretty full of yourself man :^)

Because I play destro side.
And yes I am, because I know every inch of this class. It was my main on the old servers and I played it as dps before it became mainstream. It was a time when people blamed dps healers for playing how they want in SC. Nowadays nobody cares and all play or die for themselves.

I still get a little mad when i'm dead at a keep defense right next to an AM dpsing and steping over my head

Azarael wrote:

Jaycub wrote:25% is nice, but it doesn't make or break the class. Still think it works on DoT's, if it doesn't the tool tip is incorrect because the dispel magic tactic using the same keyword and I have had it proc off of DoT damage on this server.

I can assure you that you haven't. Dispel Magic, like Arcing Power, is configured only to proc from direct damage. Anything that procs Dispel Magic procs Arcing Power and vice versa.

Unless stated otherwise in the tooltip, any ability or tactic which states that it triggers on damage will be implemented by me as listening for direct damage only.

Aza on the side note, procs were going off first hit of dot back on live server (not off other hits, except possibly in some specific cases).

Zxul wrote:

Azarael wrote:

Jaycub wrote:25% is nice, but it doesn't make or break the class. Still think it works on DoT's, if it doesn't the tool tip is incorrect because the dispel magic tactic using the same keyword and I have had it proc off of DoT damage on this server.

I can assure you that you haven't. Dispel Magic, like Arcing Power, is configured only to proc from direct damage. Anything that procs Dispel Magic procs Arcing Power and vice versa.

Unless stated otherwise in the tooltip, any ability or tactic which states that it triggers on damage will be implemented by me as listening for direct damage only.

Aza on the side note, procs were going off first hit of dot back on live server (not off other hits, except possibly in some specific cases).

I believe procs are currently tied to Damaging effects. Hex/Curse/Ailments (which dots usually are) do not receive them.

dkabib wrote: I still get a little mad when i'm dead at a keep defense right next to an AM dpsing and steping over my head

What I said about bad dps healers?
And yeah, currently gear and specs allow not even half what is possible.

just noticed this thread after noticing the arcing power not proccing on dots when went to file a bug tracker.

Having played 3 AMs over different servers on live and for the last year of the game playing a dps AM on baddie lands i think (99% certain) that anyone stating that Arcing did not proc on dots is misguided.

Like i say i am 99% certain (may well look for screenies or vid clip) transfer force turned into a dot with a 50% heal and then a separate 25% heal. It also procced of the other two dots. Together with MoM it made a solo dps AM viable and also made a life tap heal build viable as well.

The argument of only having 3 dots and one being transfer force anyway is nonsense when you count the direct damage abilities.. especially since balanced essence has a healing component as well.

To me on live i always saw this as the survivability mirror to balance out the shammy auto detaunt tactic. Unless the detaunt on that tactic also only applies to direct damage and dots hit for full force.. which they dont as far as i am aware

Like i say if Aza has made the choice to only include dd impacts on things like this then it is what it is, but it's not how it was.

Also as a side note does it mean that the divine fury tactic is also being treated in such a way? i.e the dd goes up by 25% but dots do not, and the one direct healing spell drops 20% but the hots all remain the same?

Otherwise it doesnt really make sense.

just my 5 satang

bangkokeight wrote:Like i say if Aza has made the choice to only include dd impacts on things like this then it is what it is, but it's not how it was.

I don't arbitrarily make choices over skills. If something is to be changed from live it gets discussed on the forum first.

Aza, apologies if it seems i was suggesting that you are acting in a dictatorial style, really no offense was intended or to imply that it was arbitrary. Obviously if that was the case there wouldnt be this thread. So if offense was caused then mea culpa.

But at the end of the day someone has to weigh up both sides. Happy that its you to be honest...anyway as i say i think i am 99% sure of how it worked.. although i'm getting old so will check back through screenies to see if i can tell either way. ..and it did proc of the other dots.. if it didnt then there would have been no point in running with it slotted..

anyway, moving on from arcing power i am just curious if the forum felt that it is only dd abilities that are impacted if divine fury hots/dot will be unaffected by running that tactic?

It's important to distinguish between procs and scalers. Divine Fury is a scaler, so it affects the outgoing damage and incoming heal stats. Those are applied to all damage. The overwhelming majority of procs activate on direct damage events, and so if the tooltip merely states "damage" I assume direct damage.

If you can find a source for Arcing Power activating on DoT abilities then I'll change it immediately.