BW vs Sorc

[Jaycub]

I was asking a question, not making a statement. Is English not your first language?

[grumcajs]

BW and sorc are perfectly balanced (more or less). RKD and insta ranged snare doesnt mean much at grp at all cuz you are glasscannon killing machine. not CC machine.

In small scale and duo or so theses CC on BW are actually great. in grp its not needed

heal debuff - well. one more heal debuff means 1 more heal debuff to cleanse so its always good

in grp - equal, solo, smallscale - BW has more tools. not important cuz this is large scale game

[Jaycub]

BW and sorc are perfectly balanced (more or less). RKD and insta ranged snare doesnt mean much at grp at all cuz you are glasscannon killing machine. not CC machine.

In small scale and duo or so theses CC on BW are actually great. in grp its not needed

heal debuff - well. one more heal debuff means 1 more heal debuff to cleanse so its always good

in grp - equal, solo, smallscale - BW has more tools. not important cuz this is large scale game

That's what I seem to be getting from this thread so far.

At high level play BW and Sorc are pretty equal, the only discrepancy would be the BW's heal debuff or how susceptible its damage is to being cleansed compared to the more direct damage kit the sorc has?

[noisestorm]

At high level play BW and Sorc are pretty equal, the only discrepancy would be the BW's heal debuff or how susceptible its damage is to being cleansed compared to the more direct damage kit the sorc has?

Thats more or less my statement yes. But like always, some people will not agree with me :>

[Tiggo]

i still think you cant compare 1by1 as long as both classes are viable. Other classes have other abilities to make it even etc.

[Bozzax]

TTK is low if you assist and YOU don't need to be in a premade or use team speak. Instead of mindlessly hitting whatever is close look what others hit

@noise
Changes aren't good per say only improvments are. Lemmings like myself play this game because i loved WAR. If "WAR" is lost by mindless changes to everything then I think the soul of the game is lost and with it i bet many old timers. Personally I don't want mirrored classes or big changes I wan't small incremental changes that preserve and improve.

A lot off the changes we see are really bad. Examples request for1.4.9 with flying tanks and added WDPS to spells come to mind. It is so bad I don't even know where to start

[noisestorm]

I am not saying that i want to have everything changed, but there are so many flaws on skills or skilltrees that i wish to have changed. And its not just skills being strange , but also a lot of balancing decisions that are simply bad. As a sum of all those things, some classes or speccs are simply not viable in any comp and thus i am calling for some 'harder' changes. I want a balanced game as much or even more than everyone else. The question/problem is just whose balance opinions are good and whose not. Everyone has his own impression and this will lead to some cryouts If there will be major changes. But were getting offtopic here

[Jaycub]

People seem to be threatened whenever the topic of balance change comes up, and seem to think idiots like myself have any kind of say in the matter.

When discussion of balance happens, it's mostly just for fun or to bring up a good point or topic, like the cleanse tangent that happened in this thread.

In the end the devs have the final say, and they are the only ones who can bring up a certain balance change for "Serious" discussion. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it now, even if it all ends up being worth a burp in a bucket :^)

[Shivashanti]

How tho?
A Group Cleanse nerf would also encourage a greater healer diversity and break the rule of our supreme "melee" healer overlords xD

Can't say, never played healer or the classes really effected too much by cleanse.

But from the sounds of it, it seems like healers can just push 1 button without having to think at all and it will remove 1? negative effective from everyone in their party, the only downside being you aren't healing for that cast time or GCD. What healers have group cleanse? and what kind of CD's, cast times, etc... do they have?

Can two healers in a 6v6 really just cleanse everything from their group while still keeping everyone up?

simply no!
each healer have different debuffs he can curse, they are instant with a 5 sec cd on zealot(the other i cannot renember correctly now) but only dok and wp have a grp cleanse, so if u have a party of 6 with 2 heals u can't cleanse the whole grp because u just remove 1 debuff per cleanse, and just cleansing don't remove the insta dmg they get in this time and there is the thing that u everytime just clean the first debuff they get(or last?) so with a good dot rota they have to clean the wrong debuffs and the good ones will go through because of cd etc. i prefere u all to play a healer once to know how hard it is even with grp cleanse to heal a party up and keep em alive.

[Jaycub]

So best case scenario, w/ 2 doks/WP in group 2 debuffs can be removed every 5 seconds from the entire group?

How many can 1 BW put on a person? And is cleanse just random in what it chooses to remove?