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Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:03 pm
by Kaitanaroyr
wargrimnir wrote:Bozzax wrote:Horrible idea you roam and you queue what is missing is group queue
The issue as I can tell.
Group queue is not currently implemented, so players will attempt to queue at the same time to increase their chances of getting a scenario pop. -- Nothing wrong with this, group queue would do the same thing.
Some players are not accepting the queue pop, causing an imbalanced scenario battle that is no fun for either side. -- Aza addressed this by increasing the multiplier to end them more quickly.
Players are waiting until these psuedo-premades get into the scenario, checking the Social tab (which currently shows every player and location), and deciding if they want to play based on their opponents. -- This is bad behavior and needs to be addressed.
The Quitter debuff removes the ability to queue for a scenario. If you're one of the problem players that will queue only when you don't see certain names in a scenario, it would punish that behavior by removing your ability to queue for some time. If 5m isn't enough to deter this, it could be increased.
Social menu always showed location used to use that to track warbands for ppl who didn't /anon /hide themselves have sc not start without x amount on both sides leaving a sc que should not give a debuff going afk for a min being in combat and why would i want to join a sc if im qued with someone and they don't get it then i get a debuff quiter should only be for leaving sc when you've joined it but allowing for 3m offline for crash
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:06 pm
by wargrimnir
Twyxx wrote:Vigfuss wrote:I think group Q should be added before a Q dodge debuff.
Agreed.
Perhaps it's not the solo players dodging after all. This problem also would work in reverse, where the players trying to queue as a group would have it pop for part of the group, dodge and re-queue until the full group pops. How rude. Just take the pop that you get.
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:07 pm
by Jaycub
wargrimnir wrote:
Perhaps it's not the solo players dodging after all. This problem also would work in reverse, where the players trying to queue as a group would have it pop for part of the group, dodge and re-queue until the full group pops. How rude. Just take the pop that you get.
Some people got "reputations" to hold up, think what people would say if they lost to pugs :^)
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:10 pm
by Twyxx
I don't think it's that unreasonable to suggest.
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:16 pm
by Telen
I've grouped with guilds on vent in the past that wouldnt even join scs if both their pres didnt get the pop
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:18 pm
by kintari
Can we start with having the social search not return members of the opposing faction, and then see where things stand?
Am I crazy here?
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:21 pm
by Kaitanaroyr
kintari wrote:Can we start with having the social search not return members of the opposing faction, and then see where things stand?
Am I crazy here?
thats not how it was on live no reason to change it group que needs to be fixed
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:24 pm
by Jaycub
kintari wrote:Can we start with having the social search not return members of the opposing faction, and then see where things stand?
Am I crazy here?
Can still see how many healers/tanks or if there is a 6 man from your faction in an SC and join based on that.
Messing around w/ social window is just putting a bandaid on an axe wound anyways. Those people that are abusing it now are just going to get into an SC and instantly give up and afk when they see destro has 5 DoK's and the only healer order has is a lvl 14 AM.
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:32 pm
by kintari
Kaitanaroyr wrote:kintari wrote:Can we start with having the social search not return members of the opposing faction, and then see where things stand?
Am I crazy here?
thats not how it was on live no reason to change it group que needs to be fixed
Once this server has the pop and the features of live, this argument may have some validity. Right now live and RoR are very different animals. Whether or not, when, and how group queue goes in is a related but still separate matter.
Shlomo, everything you mentioned may or may not be true, but that's why I said to wait and see. Also, if people using the social window to queue dodge is a problem, changing the social window is hardly a 'bandaid fix'.
Re: People not joining SC's
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:40 pm
by Kaitanaroyr
kintari wrote:Kaitanaroyr wrote:kintari wrote:Can we start with having the social search not return members of the opposing faction, and then see where things stand?
Am I crazy here?
thats not how it was on live no reason to change it group que needs to be fixed
Once this server has the pop and the features of live, this argument may have some validity. Right now live and RoR are very different animals. Whether or not, when, and how group queue goes in is a related but still separate matter.
Shlomo, everything you mentioned may or may not be true, but that's why I said to wait and see. Also, if people using the social window to queue dodge is a problem, changing the social window is hardly a 'bandaid fix'.
that would still be a abndaid fix as the OP said people would afk