Return of Reckoning

peterthepan3 wrote: A good melee group would make minced meat out of a bombing group, provided equal numbers.

True, after mythic decided to nerf Closed Quarters+Scorched Earth/Surging Pain - melee warbands became much more efficient than plain old bomb squads.

peterthepan3 wrote: Spoken like someone who has never experienced PvP outside of spamming an aoe button.

I know a lot about all kinds of pvp. Trust me on that one, i'm Russian

TenTonHammer wrote:impling ofc that the only thing that matters is city seiges and that furthermore loosing seiges will result in people being heartbroken or something of that nature

They might leave but only to go chill in scs or play around in praag

Funny thing, more often than people want everything to be handed to them on a silver spoon. If that does not happen automatically - they somehow get bored and even "heartbroken".
Some are just losers that way and should feed bad, not wanting to cooperate and defend their realm.
Playing around in praag while the enemy pushes for kadrin valley.

ive played at ST wb and it is quite viable, the thing is that you need t4 and at least sov gear with all the set aditional skills working. Moral drain the bomb wb and ST wreck their dps. It need some coordination and it is not as easy doable as bombing but it is pretty possible. Still sov gear is mandatory, so wont see soon ST wbs.

magter3001 wrote:Right now only Order has a WB

Nerf Order, because they have WB, and PrayForDestro, because they don't, right?

Soulcheg wrote:

magter3001 wrote:Right now only Order has a WB

Nerf Order, because they have WB, and PrayForDestro, because they don't, right?

Not really, but it just goes to show that no one on destro wants to make their own coordinated guild wb. Every destro guild usually runs 6 mans and avoid communication with each other due to epeen or bad blood.

magter3001 wrote:

Soulcheg wrote:

magter3001 wrote:Right now only Order has a WB

Nerf Order, because they have WB, and PrayForDestro, because they don't, right?

Not really, but it just goes to show that no one on destro wants to make their own coordinated guild wb. Every destro guild usually runs 6 mans and avoid communication with each other due to epeen or bad blood.

We need destro version of kings own

rmpl wrote: We need destro version of kings own

You can create it if you want

I'm not touching destro pugs with a 30ft pole

People will always find the most efficient way to deal with large quantities of foes.
Even if the nerfbat after nerfbat regarding so called "bombing" would occur, only one thing will change, tactics and composition, but one remain stable - that organized groups of people will stomp those whose are unorganised, even if highly outnumbered.

One of the most efficient and quickest wreckage ways back on live, were assist trains. They were hard to setup and coordinate, but when up and running were melting faces harder then bombers.
So, when they will come, there will be threads about nerfing melee dps and guard to the ground.

magter3001 wrote:

rmpl wrote: We need destro version of kings own

You can create it if you want

I'm not touching destro pugs with a 30ft pole

wait, are you saying that kings own is a pug?

magter3001 wrote:

Scrilian wrote: Go farm some scenarios, will ya? Or play WOW/GW, whatever.
"Think different, Variation is good" my ass.

You do realize that in those glory years both sides had coordinated bomb groups. Right now only Order has a WB guild unless I'm missing something. Bombing is fun for a while until you have no one to go against. If all destro only did scenarios, what would bomb groups do?

Beavers used to do it in T2 when the cap was 26, Spellbraker did it with Fluffy Samurais after the cap was raised from 20 to 22 and his Slayer became a lolcow. Pretty sure the Russian Beavers on Destro tend to run with AoE specced Sorcs nowadays. Let's not pretend it's only viable to bomb in oRvR for Order; Destro can compete against it in the same way when playing smart and coordinated.

Reesh wrote:People will always find the most efficient way to deal with large quantities of foes.
Even if the nerfbat after nerfbat regarding so called "bombing" would occur, only one thing will change, tactics and composition, but one remain stable - that organized groups of people will stomp those whose are unorganised, even if highly outnumbered.

One of the most efficient and quickest wreckage ways back on live, were assist trains. They were hard to setup and coordinate, but when up and running were melting faces harder then bombers.
So, when they will come, there will be threads about nerfing melee dps and guard to the ground.

Either history truly does repeat itself or I'm having a massive case of deja vu...