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Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2026 11:47 pm
by Hienzwar
rorswar wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2026 11:21 am
Hienzwar wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2026 10:22 am
Order will be nothing but shadow warriors at this rate.
Bro, have you seen the nerfs to SW?
Fester bomb is gone. Skirmish nerfed hard in AOE, and ST hit as an innocent bystander. Assault, lost 2x armour and other defenses, but unsure how it’ll stack up in total as it’s got so many changes. Bonuses to stances changed, often not in a beneficial way.
SH on the other hand remains as strong as is, with one of the largest tool boxes in the game.
WE nerfs are nothing in comparison. If you think order will just be SWs, I got a bridge to sell you.
Bro
SW or WH for wb?
The tool kit for SW vs wh is ridiculous, wh is one of the most one dimensional classes in game.
I'm sorry the lack of SH nerf hurts, agree it's ridiculous.
You fully missed my sarcasm but it's okay. Maybe reread patch notes where it's stated solo classes do not matter at all to a group game.
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 3:19 am
by abezverkhiy
Out of curiosity I checked how far WH can run in stealth on PTS
- you can run half distance from Praag WC to MS BO
- you cannot run from outer postern into the oil room (tested in Garrison of Skulls)
- you can run from inner postern to the 3rd floor of the keep without stopping and looking around and there will be 7 seconds left of Incognito
Not much.
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 6:32 am
by Hienzwar
abezverkhiy wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 3:19 am
Out of curiosity I checked how far WH can run in stealth on PTS
- you can run half distance from Praag WC to MS BO
- you cannot run from outer postern into the oil room (tested in Garrison of Skulls)
- you can run from inner postern to the 3rd floor of the keep without stopping and looking around and there will be 7 seconds left of Incognito
Not much.
More to the point there is no way you are getting through a guarded postern while aoe is being thrown about.
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 6:36 am
by abezverkhiy
Hienzwar wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 6:32 am
abezverkhiy wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 3:19 am
Out of curiosity I checked how far WH can run in stealth on PTS
- you can run half distance from Praag WC to MS BO
- you cannot run from outer postern into the oil room (tested in Garrison of Skulls)
- you can run from inner postern to the 3rd floor of the keep without stopping and looking around and there will be 7 seconds left of Incognito
Not much.
More to the point there is no way you are getting through a guarded postern while aoe is being thrown about.
See? Devs are working tirelessly to make us useful in large scale PvP, sieges in particular. They said so:
The priority of balancing in Return of Reckoning is set around group play, meaning any number from 6 all the way up to large scale fights in RvR.
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 7:56 am
by mazi761111
Yesterday and today, I didn’t see any solo or gank wh players. They are always there on weekends...Because this patch？
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 8:16 am
by abezverkhiy
mazi761111 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 7:56 am
Yesterday and today, I didn’t see any solo or gank wh players. They are always there on weekends...Because this patch？
Probably stopped playing. What's the point if in a week-two your class will be badly gimped? I stopped playing my WH as of yesterday and will be playing engineer until a new game gets released and then I will go there playing my favorite class again.
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 8:59 am
by Pahakukka
In all fairness, this "scouting the keep" argunent is kinda useless, as you can do it by standing next to keep and smashing tab until it cycled thro everyone. No need to be inside inner for it
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 9:02 am
by M0rw47h
Pahakukka wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 8:59 am
In all fariness, this "scouting the keep" argunent is kinda useless, as you can do it by standing next to keep and smashing tab until it cycled thro everyone. No need to be inside inner for it
Well all know, they want go past people to kill afks in keep
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 9:22 am
by rorswar
mazi761111 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 7:56 am
Yesterday and today, I didn’t see any solo or gank wh players. They are always there on weekends...Because this patch？
Do better.
Order T4 MDPS:
- Last 365 days: WH 34.8%
- Last 24 hours: WH 35.7%
No statistically significant difference. Now, you can't tell if they're solo/gank or not, but since you guys seem to be saying WH has no WB utility, it's unlikely that all WHs stopped playing solo and joined WBs.
It's ok to be upset about some marginal nerfs. No need to be hyperbolic "end of the world" type about it.
Re: Proposed WH changes
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 9:32 am
by Nelly74
rorswar wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 9:22 am
mazi761111 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2026 7:56 am
Yesterday and today, I didn’t see any solo or gank wh players. They are always there on weekends...Because this patch？
Do better.
Order T4 MDPS:
- Last 365 days: WH 34.8%
- Last 24 hours: WH 35.7%
No statistically significant difference. Now, you can't tell if they're solo/gank or not, but since you guys seem to be saying WH has no WB utility, it's unlikely that all WHs stopped playing solo and joined WBs.
It's ok to be upset about some marginal nerfs. No need to be hyperbolic "end of the world" type about it.
We absolutely agree! These are minor nerfs, and they're completely justified. There's really no need to make such a big deal out of them. We're still very, very far from the massacre the Slayer went through.