Return of Reckoning

culland wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2026 1:10 pm

Panzerkasper wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2026 7:46 am Stealth ability should go on a 5 sec cd everytime the stealther takes a direct hit.

I have seen WE/WH going into stealth with 3 or 4 people hitting them in melee range. That is just completely absurd.

I agree with the issue, but this seems like a bit of an exaggeration, maybe if they popped an absorb pot? More often its 'go behind this rock or tree' and poof.

WE/WH can use M1 to cast stealth safely. Can still be interrupted by taunt

Stealth isn't the issue, giving stealth classes so many "outplay" tools to take advantage of less knowledgeable players. I think is the bigger issue with them.

Not stealth is the problem - being able to leave when ever WH/WE feel like it is whats frustrating me.

Panzerkasper wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2026 7:46 am Stealth ability should go on a 5 sec cd everytime the stealther takes a direct hit.

I have seen WE/WH going into stealth with 3 or 4 people hitting them in melee range. That is just completely absurd.

This! Where i would go further and may them unable to use stealth while in combat (since M1 would be still too easy to escape). As to mention suggesting as a RR82 WH

Another someone died from a WE/WH post.

There are so many ways to stop a WE from getting away. But if you don't know your class mechanics or how to spec your tool for stealthers, oh well.

Most people are set up for blob specs. Pump lots of trash damage in blob against other blob. It adds up to kill everything. They don't know how to use cc because everyone has immunities in the first 2 sec.

30 seconds is the appropriate maximum duration for being invisible.
That was the case on the live server and at the start of RoR.
I don’t see any reason for it to last longer.
Just as I don’t see any reason why a class that can become invisible should have a dash ability.
Although I think this will be removed as the biggest failure of the MDPS patch.

Alubert wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 12:28 pm 30 seconds is the appropriate maximum duration for being invisible.
That was the case on the live server and at the start of RoR.
I don’t see any reason for it to last longer.
Just as I don’t see any reason why a class that can become invisible should have a dash ability.
Although I think this will be removed as the biggest failure of the MDPS patch.

It was also able to be extended to near infinite on live.

Here's the real crux: the class doesn't fit the vision of the game. Stealth by it's nature demands you either preposition and set up early, or have a delayed engagement. Neither of these really work in the front-to-back front loaded blob fights of today with low ttk and big splash damage. This is why the class doesn't really fit into warbands well. Reducing stealth uptime wouldn't actually fix anything; only hurt players. If anybody suggesting changes were serious people, you'd be asking for group stealth or group bypass instead of these obtuse gimps people clamor for. I think there was room in the mdps patch to turn it into an aoe debuff class for warbands similar to thief in GW2, but that's not what happened. On a similar note, build and playstyle variety is a good thing; you shouldn't want the game to be a warband aoe blobfest only.

The class was built to be a rogue analog. It was designed for solo/small scale. So let it be a rogue.

Shogun4138 wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 12:10 pm Another someone died from a WE/WH post.

There are so many ways to stop a WE from getting away. But if you don't know your class mechanics or how to spec your tool for stealthers, oh well.

Most people are set up for blob specs. Pump lots of trash damage in blob against other blob. It adds up to kill everything. They don't know how to use cc because everyone has immunities in the first 2 sec.

You missed some random whataboutism and some single skill comparison, to go with the normal 'someone died' and 'l2p' excuses you deliver every time.

One might argue that your view of your class is a l2p issue, along with never playing solo. I do think its funny that someone that only hunts solo's and lowbies as a pack is commenting on blob play.

culland wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2026 3:37 pm

Shogun4138 wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 12:10 pm Another someone died from a WE/WH post.

There are so many ways to stop a WE from getting away. But if you don't know your class mechanics or how to spec your tool for stealthers, oh well.

Most people are set up for blob specs. Pump lots of trash damage in blob against other blob. It adds up to kill everything. They don't know how to use cc because everyone has immunities in the first 2 sec.

You missed some random whataboutism and some single skill comparison, to go with the normal 'someone died' and 'l2p' excuses you deliver every time.

One might argue that your view of your class is a l2p issue, along with never playing solo. I do think its funny that someone that only hunts solo's and lowbies as a pack is commenting on blob play.

In the last event I watched a WP solo the hero griffin. 4 WEs together can not do that. Yes. I remember you fighting one of my party members, I went in and finished you off. A good wp would have switched to the WE and self healed off of me

Cut stealth duration by 50%
don't lose your mind

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