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Is it tho? Ive said it many times and even in this post. Just make heal debuffs affect hp regen and its done, no need to even tweak the numbers..Fey wrote: Wed Dec 10, 2025 10:46 pm I feel like regen is one of those elements that is very hard to balance. Either it's useless, or it is OP. The solution may be to tweak the amount of hp/sec based on archetype. I don't even know if that is desirable, let alone possible to implement.
That would be insane buff to dps AM/Shaman = awful ideaStinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:09 amIs it tho? Ive said it many times and even in this post. Just make heal debuffs affect hp regen and its done, no need to even tweak the numbers..Fey wrote: Wed Dec 10, 2025 10:46 pm I feel like regen is one of those elements that is very hard to balance. Either it's useless, or it is OP. The solution may be to tweak the amount of hp/sec based on archetype. I don't even know if that is desirable, let alone possible to implement.
Will never find a solution to anything if we always keep saying that "this class would be stronger" etc.M0rw47h wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 8:53 amThat would be insane buff to dps AM/Shaman = awful ideaStinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:09 amIs it tho? Ive said it many times and even in this post. Just make heal debuffs affect hp regen and its done, no need to even tweak the numbers..Fey wrote: Wed Dec 10, 2025 10:46 pm I feel like regen is one of those elements that is very hard to balance. Either it's useless, or it is OP. The solution may be to tweak the amount of hp/sec based on archetype. I don't even know if that is desirable, let alone possible to implement.
That is kind of an oxymoron. Just throwing a question out there; why does regen even exist as a stat in this game as it serves no purpose in zerg fighting where things are supposed to be balanced..? Only thing it affects is 1/2/3 man scale and game is not balanced around it, where it paired with high defences is the be-all end-all because it has no counterplay (other than similar spec).Stinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:08 am BUT once again, this is something that in reality only affects solo play and balance can never really be done with solo in mind.
Regen is not a counter towards dps healers, high burst damage is.M0rw47h wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 8:53 amThat would be insane buff to dps AM/Shaman = awful ideaStinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:09 amIs it tho? Ive said it many times and even in this post. Just make heal debuffs affect hp regen and its done, no need to even tweak the numbers..Fey wrote: Wed Dec 10, 2025 10:46 pm I feel like regen is one of those elements that is very hard to balance. Either it's useless, or it is OP. The solution may be to tweak the amount of hp/sec based on archetype. I don't even know if that is desirable, let alone possible to implement.
I don't share your pov. People spec into HD on AM/SH because its another dot to spam, they would probably spec for it even if it wouldn't have HD attached to it.Stinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:08 amWill never find a solution to anything if we always keep saying that "this class would be stronger" etc.
People who spec into HD gets value from it, if it would affect hp regen. People who use hp regen gear has atleast one counter to it. I dont see an issue with this.
Dps am/sham are strong, maybe they should be tweaked instead of saying keep regen as it is to "counter" dps healers. Besides pretty much only snb tank with regen "counters" dps healers anyway (by making the fight just stalemate) no amount of regen will keep dps classes alive from hybrid healers.
The reason I keep bringing up "HD affecting hp regen" is the simple reason that (atleast to me) in a pvp game everything needs to have a counter to it. I suppose argument can be made that high burst counters hp regen, which is true but gl bursting down def specs with regen. (Hence the issue is not just regen but it combined with tankiness) so to me the simplest change to it would be what I proposed.
BUT once again, this is something that in reality only affects solo play and balance can never really be done with solo in mind.
I dont know why it exist, iirc I've heard some people mention it didnt exist in live or sometime at the start of this server? I can't say for sure since I havent played neither live or been here since the beginning. Think someone (in this thread) mentioned about needing regen to farm pve mobs solo (lol) xDGladiolix wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:31 amThat is kind of an oxymoron. Just throwing a question out there; why does regen even exist as a stat in this game as it serves no purpose in zerg fighting where things are supposed to be balanced..? Only thing it affects is 1/2/3 man scale and game is not balanced around it, where it paired with high defences is the be-all end-all because it has no counterplay (other than similar spec).Stinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:08 am BUT once again, this is something that in reality only affects solo play and balance can never really be done with solo in mind.
Regen is not a counter towards dps healers, high burst damage is.
"Random dots" being just a singular dot if you happen to be near bigger fight or? Because if a am or sham wants to kill you in a fight, well mostly the dots will kill you regardless. (Depending on your class etc).M0rw47h wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:35 amI don't share your pov. People spec into HD on AM/SH because its another dot to spam, they would probably spec for it even if it wouldn't have HD attached to it.Stinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:08 amWill never find a solution to anything if we always keep saying that "this class would be stronger" etc.
People who spec into HD gets value from it, if it would affect hp regen. People who use hp regen gear has atleast one counter to it. I dont see an issue with this.
Dps am/sham are strong, maybe they should be tweaked instead of saying keep regen as it is to "counter" dps healers. Besides pretty much only snb tank with regen "counters" dps healers anyway (by making the fight just stalemate) no amount of regen will keep dps classes alive from hybrid healers.
The reason I keep bringing up "HD affecting hp regen" is the simple reason that (atleast to me) in a pvp game everything needs to have a counter to it. I suppose argument can be made that high burst counters hp regen, which is true but gl bursting down def specs with regen. (Hence the issue is not just regen but it combined with tankiness) so to me the simplest change to it would be what I proposed.
BUT once again, this is something that in reality only affects solo play and balance can never really be done with solo in mind.
Personaly I run extra regen while soloing on mDPS, so I won't die to random dots from rDPS and can disengage after being targeted without dying.
HD affecting regen = dying to random dots from rDPS = for me personaly playing something else while soloing, probably stealther or dps healer.
Last line is true! Regen being affected by HD is better vs what it is currently and we need to start doing more abilities off gcd or get back to 25% faster version and regen spec can be outdamaged again. There was a time in Aor where Defensive sets had 10% chance on hit to proc 927 truedmg that healed 1390 : D You can see the result in this range duel and see siphon vitality proc in chat and its not fake. This was removed because obviously 927 true dmg healing 150% is insane dmg lvl for defensive set bonus. It was replaced by 200 fortitude proc and offensive sets had 200 Magic/Melee/Range Power.Gladiolix wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:31 amThat is kind of an oxymoron. Just throwing a question out there; why does regen even exist as a stat in this game as it serves no purpose in zerg fighting where things are supposed to be balanced..? Only thing it affects is 1/2/3 man scale and game is not balanced around it, where it paired with high defences is the be-all end-all because it has no counterplay (other than similar spec).Stinksuit wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:08 am BUT once again, this is something that in reality only affects solo play and balance can never really be done with solo in mind.
Regen is not a counter towards dps healers, high burst damage is.