White Lion Changes (8/25/2018)

[lefze]

I understand the concerns re WL pet, but the lion is still way more tanky than SH squig (which is part of the reason why SH is so **** in WB / 6v6 play and the SW - which is not dependent on a pet going squish - is so much better).

If the WL pet gets buffed survivability then i think it's entirely justified that the SH sees the same as it to has struggled for a spot in 6v6 play.

Hate to break it to you, but taking the pet at all in a warband is just stupid as it's a dps loss. And SH is WAY better than SW for warband play anyways.

SH does not struggle for a spot in 6v6, it is still one of the harder classes to face as it has good utility, survivabiliy and amazing pressure. The only reason SW is even taken is their melee spec, skirmish falls miles short of being at the same level SH is.

You could not be more wrong. Ranged SW can reach 1k WS, SH can reach 800 tops meaning they have far less armour penetration natively. This is why a SH crits for similar numbers to a SW hits for non-crit. Couple that with the SH pet getting blown up and you end up with the disparity we have today where the SW is a genuine pressure class and is a staple of Order 6v6 play, where the SH is cast aside for it's low DPS. There are other factors at play too, SW doesn't live in fear of pouncing WLs, the Mara is an easy target for a SW by comparison.

Play both classes to rr50+ you'll see how SW is easy mode compared to a SH. The balance is way out of whack, imo the poorest mirror match up in terms of balance disparity.

Oh man, you read the part where I said YOU DON'T TAKE THE PET!!!!111!!11!!1!!!!!11! Also, any self respecting destro WB runs AoE armor debuff, compare the WS to that. Also you need 5pc conq on SW, good **** luck getting 1k WS.

About the 6v6 stuff you are like 110% wrong, maybe time to get involved even slightly in the scene? For the record I played both SW and SH extensively at renowns way past rr50. How many 6 mans use a skirmish SW for 6v6? How many uses a SH? The answer is that skirmish SW doesn't see ANY play, while a couple of premades do in fact pull out SHs.

[zgolec]

Since new changes do you guys plan to finally fix parry tactics? This was reported ages ago and still it give 0 parry.

[Fiskrens]

Since new changes do you guys plan to finally fix parry tactics? This was reported ages ago and still it give 0 parry.

Flashing claws? It works, if you .getstats you can see it gives you 10% extra parry. I don't know if it works on lion since we can't .getstats on our lion.

[nat3s]

Hate to break it to you, but taking the pet at all in a warband is just stupid as it's a dps loss. And SH is WAY better than SW for warband play anyways.

SH does not struggle for a spot in 6v6, it is still one of the harder classes to face as it has good utility, survivabiliy and amazing pressure. The only reason SW is even taken is their melee spec, skirmish falls miles short of being at the same level SH is.

You could not be more wrong. Ranged SW can reach 1k WS, SH can reach 800 tops meaning they have far less armour penetration natively. This is why a SH crits for similar numbers to a SW hits for non-crit. Couple that with the SH pet getting blown up and you end up with the disparity we have today where the SW is a genuine pressure class and is a staple of Order 6v6 play, where the SH is cast aside for it's low DPS. There are other factors at play too, SW doesn't live in fear of pouncing WLs, the Mara is an easy target for a SW by comparison.

Play both classes to rr50+ you'll see how SW is easy mode compared to a SH. The balance is way out of whack, imo the poorest mirror match up in terms of balance disparity.

Oh man, you read the part where I said YOU DON'T TAKE THE PET!!!!111!!11!!1!!!!!11! Also, any self respecting destro WB runs AoE armor debuff, compare the WS to that. Also you need 5pc conq on SW, good **** luck getting 1k WS.

About the 6v6 stuff you are like 110% wrong, maybe time to get involved even slightly in the scene? For the record I played both SW and SH extensively at renowns way past rr50. How many 6 mans use a skirmish SW for 6v6? How many uses a SH? The answer is that skirmish SW doesn't see ANY play, while a couple of premades do in fact pull out SHs.

Rubbish. SW is way stronger and part of the Order 6v6 meta. It does crazy dps. SH damage by comparison is too low to compete for spots. If you've played both as extensively as you claim, you'd be aware of the difference in dps pressure between the two.

[lefze]

You could not be more wrong. Ranged SW can reach 1k WS, SH can reach 800 tops meaning they have far less armour penetration natively. This is why a SH crits for similar numbers to a SW hits for non-crit. Couple that with the SH pet getting blown up and you end up with the disparity we have today where the SW is a genuine pressure class and is a staple of Order 6v6 play, where the SH is cast aside for it's low DPS. There are other factors at play too, SW doesn't live in fear of pouncing WLs, the Mara is an easy target for a SW by comparison.

Play both classes to rr50+ you'll see how SW is easy mode compared to a SH. The balance is way out of whack, imo the poorest mirror match up in terms of balance disparity.

Oh man, you read the part where I said YOU DON'T TAKE THE PET!!!!111!!11!!1!!!!!11! Also, any self respecting destro WB runs AoE armor debuff, compare the WS to that. Also you need 5pc conq on SW, good **** luck getting 1k WS.

About the 6v6 stuff you are like 110% wrong, maybe time to get involved even slightly in the scene? For the record I played both SW and SH extensively at renowns way past rr50. How many 6 mans use a skirmish SW for 6v6? How many uses a SH? The answer is that skirmish SW doesn't see ANY play, while a couple of premades do in fact pull out SHs.

Rubbish. SW is way stronger and part of the Order 6v6 meta. It does crazy dps. SH damage by comparison is too low to compete for spots. If you've played both as extensively as you claim, you'd be aware of the difference in dps pressure between the two.

And at this point I'm gonna say you don't even have a toe in anything related to 6v6. Again the only SWs you see are melee specced, because Skirmish has too low pressure and literally zero burst, and there's like what, a single aSW left that plays 6v6? SH has good pressure and superior burst to skirmish, although a bit limited aswell but not even close to a point where it's not a good pick.

Dunno where people got the impression that SH is bad, it has been used well in recent times. It obviously got hit a bit by removal of guards in Isha, but it's still perfectly viable.

[Telen]

I think the chance of tank pounce squig staying in its current state after guardian got removed is slim to none.

[Darks63]

I think the chance of tank pounce squig staying in its current state after guardian got removed is slim to none.

That would be interesting to see. i bet all the destro dancing on the WL's grave will do a quick 180 in the AZA lovefest.

[Dajciekrwi]

Yes, who runs will be fight again, and idiots dies on place.

people who run away just die tired

Everyone gonna die some day but i die as last:)

[catholicism198]

I think the chance of tank pounce squig staying in its current state after guardian got removed is slim to none.

That would be interesting to see. i bet all the destro dancing on the WL's grave will do a quick 180 in the AZA lovefest.

Not really.
Melee Squig has already been nerfed a few times.
It's fairly balanced overall. The only ability that might be a problem is the experimental ability "Outta My Way," which is not used in the way Torque envisioned it to be used- It's primarily used as an escape tool, but then again so is is "charge..."

[Hogtooth]

I am glad to see changes coming to Guardian WL and I am semi okay with the idea of stance dancing as it's how I have played my WL at certain times of roaming. There was a lot of utility built into the lion that was fun to switch between TTT and TTK. I have always tried to run a hybrid build in the WL

With that being said I am in agreement with Chrizx in that I play WL because I like to play small scale. Solo roaming and duos/trios is where 95% of my playstyle is. You will never see me in a WB, not knocking those who do because that's what progresses the realm in RvR.

I'm looking forward to the next patch to see what the changes will be because the last change was just too big in my opinion. In the meantime I'll be on another toon still having fun.