White Lion Changes (8/25/2018)

[nat3s]

I understand the concerns re WL pet, but the lion is still way more tanky than SH squig (which is part of the reason why SH is so **** in WB / 6v6 play and the SW - which is not dependent on a pet going squish - is so much better).

If the WL pet gets buffed survivability then i think it's entirely justified that the SH sees the same as it to has struggled for a spot in 6v6 play.

[gotharg]

Any changes are good for rvr. No matter nerfed - buffed some or all classes.
I personally spend 3000-4000 golds for many sometimes insane marauder builds + gear+ talis.
And i just take this as a usual part of war between Order/Destro.
So stagnation is death&loss, only changing ways is kays to live&victory!.

So did you find best build to running away?

[Dajciekrwi]

Any changes are good for rvr. No matter nerfed - buffed some or all classes.
I personally spend 3000-4000 golds for many sometimes insane marauder builds + gear+ talis.
And i just take this as a usual part of war between Order/Destro.
So stagnation is death&loss, only changing ways is kays to live&victory!.

So did you find best build to running away?

Yes, who runs will be fight again, and idiots dies on place.

[lefze]

I understand the concerns re WL pet, but the lion is still way more tanky than SH squig (which is part of the reason why SH is so **** in WB / 6v6 play and the SW - which is not dependent on a pet going squish - is so much better).

If the WL pet gets buffed survivability then i think it's entirely justified that the SH sees the same as it to has struggled for a spot in 6v6 play.

Hate to break it to you, but taking the pet at all in a warband is just stupid as it's a dps loss. And SH is WAY better than SW for warband play anyways.

SH does not struggle for a spot in 6v6, it is still one of the harder classes to face as it has good utility, survivabiliy and amazing pressure. The only reason SW is even taken is their melee spec, skirmish falls miles short of being at the same level SH is.

[zgolec]

Hmmm.... So mara keeps its heal on hit... But WL is stripped now of any self heal?
And more then depending on our pets gotta switch stances like mara/sw?


..."awsum".

[Fiskrens]

Hmmm.... So mara keeps its heal on hit... But WL is stripped now of any self heal?
And more then depending on our pets gotta switch stances like mara/sw?


..."awsum".

We'll see where this ends up, like devs hade said this is the first iteration and they're working on it. What worries me the most is the general attitude of most players who seem to think it's fair to destroy WL as a class just because guardian spec was too strong in smallscale fights.
The sheer amount of smug magus and sorc players blowing everyone up is depressing though mainly because most of them don't even have to bother putting points in futile strikes anymore. If I went full glasscannon and then come on to the forums crying about being killed too fast would anyone have any sympathy for me? I doubt it.

[TenTonHammer]

Yes, who runs will be fight again, and idiots dies on place.

people who run away just die tired

[Renork]

Hmmm.... So mara keeps its heal on hit... But WL is stripped now of any self heal?
And more then depending on our pets gotta switch stances like mara/sw?


..."awsum".

We'll see where this ends up, like devs hade said this is the first iteration and they're working on it. What worries me the most is the general attitude of most players who seem to think it's fair to destroy WL as a class just because guardian spec was too strong in smallscale fights.
The sheer amount of smug magus and sorc players blowing everyone up is depressing though mainly because most of them don't even have to bother putting points in futile strikes anymore. If I went full glasscannon and then come on to the forums crying about being killed too fast would anyone have any sympathy for me? I doubt it.

The *only* magus that survived getting slaughtered by wl's was Peter's and only because he stacked over 900 toughness? which is a VERY niche build (cool huh?). Lol @ smug magus/sorcerer players comment, more like inane white lion players who defended being able to kill any class in seconds (minus deftanks), while maintaining the best mobility in the game and being difficult to take down. Everyone is all for white lion changes, but not the ones that have to do with "reverting" the changes or making you stupid op again. Majority of you are acting like cry babies even despite having a dev tell you he is STILL working on changes for the class.

[Fiskrens]

Hmmm.... So mara keeps its heal on hit... But WL is stripped now of any self heal?
And more then depending on our pets gotta switch stances like mara/sw?


..."awsum".

We'll see where this ends up, like devs hade said this is the first iteration and they're working on it. What worries me the most is the general attitude of most players who seem to think it's fair to destroy WL as a class just because guardian spec was too strong in smallscale fights.
The sheer amount of smug magus and sorc players blowing everyone up is depressing though mainly because most of them don't even have to bother putting points in futile strikes anymore. If I went full glasscannon and then come on to the forums crying about being killed too fast would anyone have any sympathy for me? I doubt it.

The *only* magus that survived getting slaughtered by wl's was Peter's and only because he stacked over 900 toughness? which is a VERY niche build (cool huh?). Lol @ smug magus/sorcerer players comment, more like inane white lion players who defended being able to kill any class in seconds (minus deftanks), while maintaining the best mobility in the game and being difficult to take down. Everyone is all for white lion changes, but not the ones that have to do with "reverting" the changes or making you stupid op again. Majority of you are acting like cry babies even despite having a dev tell you he is STILL working on changes for the class.

Funny because even with max deft and 700 toughness I got blown up by magus players unless I killed them first, had I come on here and cried about it people would have told me to get a tank and healer to cover my ass because it's a teamgame. Also read the first line of what I wrote -.-

[nat3s]

I understand the concerns re WL pet, but the lion is still way more tanky than SH squig (which is part of the reason why SH is so **** in WB / 6v6 play and the SW - which is not dependent on a pet going squish - is so much better).

If the WL pet gets buffed survivability then i think it's entirely justified that the SH sees the same as it to has struggled for a spot in 6v6 play.

Hate to break it to you, but taking the pet at all in a warband is just stupid as it's a dps loss. And SH is WAY better than SW for warband play anyways.

SH does not struggle for a spot in 6v6, it is still one of the harder classes to face as it has good utility, survivabiliy and amazing pressure. The only reason SW is even taken is their melee spec, skirmish falls miles short of being at the same level SH is.

You could not be more wrong. Ranged SW can reach 1k WS, SH can reach 800 tops meaning they have far less armour penetration natively. This is why a SH crits for similar numbers to a SW hits for non-crit. Couple that with the SH pet getting blown up and you end up with the disparity we have today where the SW is a genuine pressure class and is a staple of Order 6v6 play, where the SH is cast aside for it's low DPS. There are other factors at play too, SW doesn't live in fear of pouncing WLs, the Mara is an easy target for a SW by comparison.

Play both classes to rr50+ you'll see how SW is easy mode compared to a SH. The balance is way out of whack, imo the poorest mirror match up in terms of balance disparity.