Return of Reckoning

covenn wrote:(Irrelevant stuff about US culture)

Most people who play on this server aren't from NA. Also, the server is located in France, therefore, French law applies. I suggest you make yourself familiar with French hate speech laws.

Now please stop making this thread about your guild.

Torquemadra wrote: You want carte blanche to spew whatever you like with impunity start your own server.

See, I am trying to be reasonable here. I am sorry you are incapable of it.

And yes, I will say my peace whether your like it or not or agree with it. If that means you ban me for it, so be it.

magicthighs wrote:

covenn wrote:(Irrelevant stuff about US culture)

Most people who play on this server aren't from NA. Also, the server is located in France, therefore, French law applies. I suggest you make yourself familiar with French hate speech laws.

Now please stop making this thread about your guild.

First, I wasn't citing laws or rights. I was providing an explanation for the misunderstanding and providing a possible solution to prevent it from happening again to anyone (communication).

Secondly, I could give a rats ass about where the server is. I have a firm understanding that we have a broad range of people playing the game. I am sorry you can't recognize that and deem US culture as irrelevant.

Thirdly, your post and attitude speaks for itself. Good luck with your community building.

covenn wrote: Secondly, I could give a rats ass about where the server is. I have a firm understanding that we have a broad range of people playing the game. I am sorry you can't recognize that and deem US culture as irrelevant.

But your culture, birthplace or whatever is irrelevant? As is anyone else's?
Not getting your point

kkthxbye i assume though

I've read through this and would like to point a few things out:

1) Demeaning GMs, by accusing them of "stupid misunderstandings" and "going ballistic in chat", isn't going to get you anywhere.

2) This particular incident as well as many other incidents involving your guild have been discussed internally, and not a single member of our staff has felt in any way that you deserve to be stuck up for.

3) Regarding the non-apology post that was made, implying that the staff need to show understanding for other cultures: We don't. Plain and simple, here's how it is: our server, our rules. It is you who will understand us, not we who will understand you. If that means that you don't feel you can play here anymore, that's fine. The door is that way.

While Grammar Nazi is a familiar expression (however, still one that we would disagree with), channel Nazi is not. We treat any invocation of Nazi as a) an attempt to undermine the authority of the staff by comparing us to an authoritarian regime of mass murderers and b) a grave insult against people who work for free so that you have an arena in which you can make life difficult for our staff and players through both displaying an arrogant and patronizing attitude and through severe acts of unsportsmanlike conduct towards other players (which are currently not punishable by us but certainly are contributing to coloring general staff opinion of your entire guild).

In light of the above, I do not care about any opinions supporting your rights (which you don't have, because this is a private server and we have the right to kick you out because we don't like the class you play or the sound of your username or any other reason, stupid or not, if that is our collective wish). We will view any attempt to undermine our staff by comparing them to real-world scum, no matter the acceptability in other cultures, as a serious attack. This will not change. If our adopting this stance (which is mirrored in many other forums and places on the internet) causes users of this particular phrase or expression to gain a better appreciation of its TRUE meaning, then that's great as well.

The caveat to the above is that we must balance our rules such that we do not TRULY become authoritarian - and believe me, this has been at the forefront of my mind lately. The minute we do become authoritarian, the server will haemorrhage players. We know this.

I would suggest not drawing any more attention to yourselves than you already have. That includes, by the way, by issuing any post after this one, either to argue with this, or to fake-capitulate with a post laced with snide, or by anything else that could reinforce our opinion that your guild just doesn't know when to stop.

This is rich. Did Indo get banned? Lol. I could have called that. That dude incited a self promotion flame war in Aion the likes no MMO has ever seen. These RoR guys don't F- around. Never forget when they banned a guy for killing someone else's mobs.

And TK, you got banned for harassment, how are you even a mod in this game? Hilarious stuff. And Coven causing drama on the forums, no wai! This is soooo circa 2008!! I'm so happy right now. Phoenix Throne WHA forums best ever.

And for the record, grammar nazi, forum nazi, channel nazi, are all terms that would be normal to see or say on the internet, especially in the MMO gaming culture. Is this seriously what it's all about? Sounds like to me there was some other stuff said, but this is what the prosecutors are using in court for a sentence. But again, welcome to RoR. Careful of how you enjoy your stay. Remember, THEY LOVE YOU (http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... f=2&t=7702). But, it's their ****. Your just logging into THEIR hobby.

Mez wrote:This is rich. Did Indo get banned? Lol. I could have called that. That dude incited a self promotion flame war in Aion the likes no MMO has ever seen. These RoR guys don't F- around. Never forget when they banned a guy for killing someone else's mobs.

And TK, you got banned for harassment, how are you even a mod in this game? Hilarious stuff. And Coven causing drama on the forums, no wai! This is soooo circa 2008!! I'm so happy right now. Phoenix Throne WHA forums best ever.

And for the record, grammar nazi, forum nazi, channel nazi, are all terms that would be normal to see or say on the internet, especially in the MMO gaming culture. Is this seriously what it's all about? Sounds like to me there was some other stuff said, but this is what the prosecutors are using in court for a sentence. But again, welcome to RoR. Careful of how you enjoy your stay. Remember, THEY LOVE YOU (http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... f=2&t=7702). But, it's their ****. Your just logging into THEIR hobby.

Oh Mez, if only I had time to forum PvP with you.... alas I do not. GG

>invocation of Nazi
(Signature Spell - Lore of Germany - Cast on 6+)
The caster intones the dreaded syllables handed down from Hitler himself, breathing life into the NatSoc cadavers strewn across the battlefield.

Scrilian, don't post in this thread again.

@Azarael - You made your point, I made mine. No need to worry about our guild because for the most part it has moved on to other games, except myself and a few other perhaps. Nothing left to be said really.