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Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:26 pm
by Penril
Jaycub wrote:
I meant bringing your melee train to their healers and "sitting" on them and trying to kill one of their healers first rather than fighting their MDPS and sending the IB/BG into their backlines to try and catch a healer and drop the debuff... which we have tried the latter and it's just not worth it.
Agreed. A BG/IB won't be able to catch a half-decent kiter by himself; he needs his group for that. This applies to all tanks though, since even the almighty BO AoE snare has a 30ft range.
Jaycub wrote:The problem we saw with this is we run WP/RP and destro tends to run double DoK if they can. This means our RP is a prime target and all destro has to do to counter it is kill our RP since they can do it faster than we can kill a DoK. At least in theory like I said we havent tried it out. But we have tried running the IB and having him go in to healdebuff, the problem is im sure destro group is calling it out within second and a KD into superpunt on our one tank on front lines into a CC equals a dead as hell slayer unless we have ID/bellow up.
I think catching 2 Doks is easier than catching one RP.
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:28 pm
by Jaycub
sanii wrote:roadkillrobin wrote:
Zealots really don't need love tbh, it's subjectivly he 3d strongest healer in the game and viable in both small scale and large thanks to it's varity of buffs and morale gain.
How about their dps then ?
DPS zealots have a spot in warbands, AoE incoming healdebuff is good. Same problem as magus/engineer, just not as big a priority since they have more viable specs and places in groups.
Once RDPS as a whole becomes more viable in 6v6, then it should be looked at imo.
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:32 pm
by Jaycub
Penril wrote:
I think catching 2 Doks is easier than catching one RP.
pull/mara M1
BO AoE snare doesn't require a target and can snare someone at 30ft away, and once destro tanks close the distance they have CC thanks to morale pump.
MDPS can catch him with charge as well.
Like I said, never actually tried this strat... just parroting some stuff we came up talking in TS.
It's just hard to kite against a good team, that's another reason why RDPS is hurting imo.
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:33 pm
by roadkillrobin
sanii wrote:roadkillrobin wrote:
Zealots really don't need love tbh, it's subjectivly he 3d strongest healer in the game and viable in both small scale and large thanks to it's varity of buffs and morale gain.
How about their dps then ?
Zealots have both a viable AoE dps and ST dps build. dps Zealots were used in bombgroups all the time, and their ST dps is ok.
ST
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=zea ... :5712:5722:
AoE
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=zea ... :5712:5722:
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:34 pm
by Penril
Jaycub wrote:Penril wrote:
I think catching 2 Doks is easier than catching one RP.
pull/mara M1
BO AoE snare doesn't require a target and can snare someone at 30ft away, and once destro tanks close the distance they have CC thanks to morale pump.
MDPS can catch him with charge as well.
Like I said, never actually tried this strat... just parroting some stuff we came up talking in TS.
It's just hard to kite against a good team, that's another reason why RDPS is hurting imo.
pull/WL M1/Pounce/ranged KDs/SM M2
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:38 pm
by bloodi
Penril wrote:pull/WL M1/Pounce/ranged KDs/SM M2
How did you manage to reply to someone talking about what a group can do to catch a ranged character with what a group can do to catch a ranged character as order?
Is this the PTSD coming back? Having flashes again?
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:38 pm
by sanii
I mean i said dps just for lols , knowing fully well that other classes should get attention first , but saying that zealots/RPs have a "viable" spec is pretty delusional in the same way that saying that maguses having a "rift" spec and a watered down burst spec makes them "viable"
Everything is viable in this game more or less its more about if it is OPTIMAL , and for a lot of classes that would be a NO
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:39 pm
by Penril
bloodi wrote:Penril wrote:pull/WL M1/Pounce/ranged KDs/SM M2
How did you manage to reply to someone talking about what a group can do to catch a ranged character with what a group can do to catch a ranged character as order?
Is this the PTSD coming back? Having flashes again?
Maybe because he is talking about his ORDER group struggling against destro?
Pull the stick out of your ass. Im not complaining about those tools. Im just replying to his comment since he mentioned Mara pull + M1, and Order has access to those as well (and some other tools like i mentioned).
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:40 pm
by Jaycub
im not saying it's any easier/harder for one side, just that killing a RP is easier than killing a DoK.
That was one of the things I'm sure we would of eventually tried (running double WP) if it became a big enough problem. But then you are making concessions for running IB, because you are playing around the outgoing healdebuff. It's just easier to swap him out for SM, and that was pretty much unanimous which is why poor mountain had to level a knight :^)
Re: Which class would you like to see in the Balance Forum?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:46 pm
by Penril
Jaycub wrote:im not saying it's any easier/harder for one side, just that killing a RP is easier than killing a DoK.
That was one of the things I'm sure we would of eventually tried (running double WP) if it became a big enough problem. But then you are making concessions for running IB, because you are playing around the outgoing healdebuff. It's just easier to swap him out for SM, and that was pretty much unanimous which is why poor mountain had to level a knight :^)
SM doesn't even have a AoE snare or +morale tactic. I can concede that BO>BG, but IMHO IB>>>SM.
And i remember a group of guys (you know who they are) who always said RP was able to be tankier than WP. Add to that better ST heals and better heals while kiting and the way i see it is:
- A normal RP is easier to kill than a normal Dok
- A good RP is harder to kill than a good Dok
That's just my opinion.