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Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:35 pm
by foof
Jaycub wrote:Just buff the generic 2h tank tactic
Right now its like 10% damage and 5% parry?
It's kind of a lazy fix, making something absolutely mandatory... but it would work.
Something like 15% damage 5% parry and ~15% armor ignore. Also I think the strike through on 2h is only for block... change it to block and parry, this will also give a nice little buff to 2h choppa/slayer. It also doesn't buff the slayer cancer spec since it requires DW.
There is no generic tank 2h tactic.
Making focused offense require a 2h but removing the armor penalty would go a long way towards fixing 2h tanks. Then it would be a plain old, +15% damage if using a 2h tactic. Not many shield tanks want to gimp their armor for damage, so I couldn't image many whines from shield tanks about a change.
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:38 pm
by Jaycub
I checked and SM/BO/IB all have that tactic, thought every tank but knight/chosen had it.
knight def needs a buff to it's 2h spec along with BG
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:08 pm
by Coryphaus
Jaycub wrote:Just buff the generic 2h tank tactic
Right now its like 10% damage and 5% parry?
It's kind of a lazy fix, making something absolutely mandatory... but it would work.
Something like 15% damage 5% parry and ~15% armor ignore. Also I think the strike through on 2h is only for block... change it to block and parry, this will also give a nice little buff to 2h choppa/slayer. It also doesn't buff the slayer cancer spec since it requires DW.
A secondary option is to buff Focused offensive, the tactic was/is a massive joke, lose 33% armor for just 15% dmg, it was "viable" (and i use the term loosely) only really if you were in end game with rr100 gear and stuff and maybe give it a "requires 2h" requirement as well
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:52 pm
by foof
Coryphaus wrote:Jaycub wrote:Just buff the generic 2h tank tactic
Right now its like 10% damage and 5% parry?
It's kind of a lazy fix, making something absolutely mandatory... but it would work.
Something like 15% damage 5% parry and ~15% armor ignore. Also I think the strike through on 2h is only for block... change it to block and parry, this will also give a nice little buff to 2h choppa/slayer. It also doesn't buff the slayer cancer spec since it requires DW.
A secondary option is to buff Focused offensive, the tactic was/is a massive joke, lose 33% armor for just 15% dmg, it was "viable" (and i use the term loosely) only really if you were in end game with rr100 gear and stuff and maybe give it a "requires 2h" requirement as well
Good idea!
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:49 am
by Landaren
Guys, tanks aren't supposed to be viable dps that's why we have archetypes to begin with
Tanks have already wadded way to far into the melee dps's skill pool. If you want to play a dps class pick one of them. No more goddamn tank dps buffs are needed
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:52 am
by Jaycub
Landaren wrote:Guys, tanks aren't supposed to be viable dps that's why we have archetypes to begin with
Tanks have already wadded way to far into the melee dps's skill pool. If you want to play a dps class pick one of them. No more goddamn tank dps buffs are needed
DPS tank is alternative play stlyle (buffing 2h is a nerf to gaurd which is OP) and no matter how much you buff DPS tanks they won't become real DPS.
The major point is when a tank picks up a 2h over a shield they lose over twice what they gain, it's just bad design.
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:08 am
by wos
on live didn't all the BG dots get changed in a patch i remember them having more dot just like the IB there was a pretty big stink about it on the forms i swear the bg use to dps just like the IB
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:22 am
by wos
atm
dps build IB functions better
tank build ib and bg both are best tanks
solo severability magekill build bg better vs magc the ib has good cc to make up the difference but not all the way the role spilt a bit here
to me the IB/BG are the best tanks in the game to get a job dun
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:24 am
by Jaycub
They are BG isn't by stetch of the imagine bad or not in a good spot. Just buffing the 2h spec will give the class more variety and options in playstyle and possibly niches. Which this game so desperately needs.
Re: Did anybody try the following dps bg build?
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:45 am
by wos
Jaycub wrote:They are BG isn't by stetch of the imagine bad or not in a good spot. Just buffing the 2h spec will give the class more variety and options in playstyle and possibly niches. Which this game so desperately needs.
yes just a few little adjustment to the dps 2hander like the IB and as a trade give the IB a few in the mage killer spec
give the BG dots and cc like IB maybe a WS buff for both
give the IB the BG detant tactic, ap sap, and disrupt tactic to make them a bit more mage killer