1461 to 1003 scenario wins this week

[anaxandus]

Sorry my friend, but it only takes a single bad AoE Choppa to cause a loss.

The first engagement in any scenario is the most important as it sets the momentum for the rest of the scenario. Most scenarios are won or lost in that first engagement. The number of Choppas that will use the GtdC speed boost in the first engagement to run in and tag as many enemies as possible with a 1ft pull is far higher than the ones that don't. I've been watching it happen for years and purposefully look out for it now; if they do, I won't guard them.

If a Choppa joins a scenario in their AoE blob spec then they're better off dead as they'll do less harm. 2h is for scenarios, but that requires learning more than 3-button AoE blob play, which most (not saying you) are not willing to do.

Not saying there are not other factors such as 2h tanks and lack of assist to contend with as well, but Order suffers from those same issues too. AoE Choppas are a purely Desto problem that has no solution beyond hoping they die quickly before they cause too much disruption.

I feel you. Same with SM aoe punt. Always right at the start and for no reason at all. Atleast Choppas are lost in the ecstasy of attempting to do dmg. And a bit of habbit from the lakes. SM's i cannot fathom for the life of me.

[guessgap]

wow thats a huge win/loss difference, ive never seen it that high before for a week timespan, nearly 60 to 40% in favor of order.
but i have no idea why that is, but dont change it until ive geared my heal wp jk

[nat3s]

Destro is also the more populated realm. Which means there's a numerically larger group of newer players, casual player and so on in it. Which also means you are more likely to be in a scenario with them, as a destro player.

That's not my experience the last 2 weeks. Has anyone got a link to the SC / rvr lake stats Google Spreadsheet?

[Rapzel]

Which tool is this?
I have been trying to get similar information from the killboard GraphQL but I have not had the time to get further into it.
I would say that it does align with my observation too.
Some numbers that you may want to look into as well are :

• - backdate the numbers to the date the patch was released and then compare them to the week before, if possible, to estimate the impact of the patch
  - surrender rates are not accurate because matches that would qualify for a surrender actually end before the losing team is allowed to surrender.
  - the number of matches where the winning team has 100/200/300/400 points more than the losing team
  - which scenarios are more likely to have bigger score gaps, which may indicate that the scoring system for that match is not good (snowballing?)
  - the average RR difference between teams (this is something that I have tried to look into a lot as I think it is a strong driver of what you are observing)
  - the average kills per scenario and compare them to difference in average RR as the previous metric.

A more complex metric would be to generate some ELO value based on the gear of the participants, generate an average and compare it between the two teams, but it would probably require a lot of API calls and you may get throttled or flagged as malicious.

Checked the T4 SCs.
Ran last 500 SCS first. Mean/average renown rank (RR) was 75.2 (Order) Vs. 74 (Destro), then ran last 1000 scs total of 23k records, (2 172 individual characters).
Average RR was order 75.2, destro 74.2.

Overall;
Damage 37742 vs 36599
Healing 30860 vs 30398
Protection 23249 vs 22389

Damage dealers in order
Magus
Engi
BW
Sorc
Slayer
Choppa
SH
SW
WH
WL

Kill damage in order
Engi
WL
Slayer
SW
WH
WE
Magus
BW
Mara
Chippa

Healing in order
DoK
RP
AM
WP
Shaman
Zeal
SM
KotBS
BO
Mara

Healing others in order
DoK
RP
AM
WP
Shaman
Zealot
SM
BO
KoTBS
WL

Protection in order
BO
IB
SM
Chosen
KotBS
BG
WP
Zealot
RP
DoK

Protection others in order
BO
Chosen
IB
KotBS
SM
BG
Zealot
RP
WP
DoK

Most played careers in order
Shaman
WP
SH
KotBS
Engi
WL
WH
SW
Zealot
DoK

Least played careers in order
Sorc
BW
Slayer
IB
BG
WE
AM
SM
Choppa
BO

Winrates
Order 54.5%
Destro 45.5%

[tefnaht]

By my experience, SC state mirrors oRvR state. If order dominates in lakes, SC q full of destro, if destro dominates in lakes, SC q full of order. If you are on doninating side in oRvR - solo q will be painfull unless you join in 3-5 men party.

Start of weekend - spike CCU - SC start to be more random, at least not the same people from both sides.

Wave obsession with new weapons fades, #1 to get new - destro, #2 to get new - order. Every event first 2-3 days total destro tide at EU prime time.

[CountTalabecland]

Good work my Order bros.

Keep laying it to ‘em.

No pity, no mercy.

[nat3s]

Good work my Order bros.

Keep laying it to ‘em.

No pity, no mercy.

I have 3 80s on each side so I don't buy into the whole realm pride cheese, but having one side winning 50%+ more SCs for a 60/40 split is harmful to queue times which sucks for everyone.

[Bozzax]

Rvr is worse - fact

[Kyouaku]

I know for me, I just got tired of the unjustified nerfs to my destro classes. Why was sac stab, an already barely useful skill, nerfed so hard(It needed a buf, not a nerf, and sov +2 skill is for that tree, so I cant make a withbrew/onyourknees build. Give sac stab its full arm pen back and make the snare always 10 seconds)? DPS DoK is like DPS WP but without all the spirit damage, without 15% arm pen tactic, doesnt have a 2h, 1 less tactic because it's heal debuff still needs one.... and it lacks the good skills that DPS WP has in general.

So ive just been playing my WL a lot

[Kyouaku]

I hate leveling characters, but since they have made DPS DoK crap and there is no build that I like on WE anymore, I'd play a Murader if the Devs gave me a BiS one...