Return of Reckoning

lefze wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:06 pm I agree that the proposed ability can be better than Winds, but from a dps pov zealot is far superior to runie anyways. The issue I have with the proposal is that it would mainly be picked up by heal runies, and those aren't the target of the proposal at all.

catholicism198 wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:20 pm That is BEYOND oped. An unbreakable/undefendable AE root? The only roots in game that don't break on damage are morale ones and even those do not bypass immunity and can be broken with root breakers. If it was a one second root that broke on damage that wasn't un defendable and bypassed immunity- than it would be worth discussing but this is more of a morale 10 than a mastery ability

dansari wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:10 pm

lefze wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:06 pm I agree that the proposed ability can be better than Winds, but from a dps pov zealot is far superior to runie anyways. The issue I have with the proposal is that it would mainly be picked up by heal runies, and those aren't the target of the proposal at all.

Well sure, but would that be a bad thing? You'd be trading Stagger for it, just like Zs do. And presumably a healing Runie is going to be less tanky than a DPS runie.

Glorian wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:23 pm
Actually the Bitterstone Thunderers use it regularly if we are getting whiped to use the self Rez Rune on 3 or 4 runis on command at the same time. Then Grimnirs Fury, and then half of the warband stands again.

BUT more than once our warband or another Order warbands caster backline has been wrecked by a zealot with that no immunity chain knockbacks.

Or knocking a warband away from a postern thus one zealot stopping a whole warband from getting into a Keep.

So I would kill from a warband Runi point of view to have the ability to do something in the first line to an enemy warband.

Be it a chain knockback, or the here weaker version of a chain root.
Rootet casters can still cast and healers still heal.

lefze wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:21 pm The stagger has next to no functionality on a warband scale. The trade would be an absolute nobrainer, you can't even compare the two.

dansari wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:23 pm

lefze wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:21 pm The stagger has next to no functionality on a warband scale. The trade would be an absolute nobrainer, you can't even compare the two.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree. Just noting the similarities between trees. Don't heal Zs pick up WOI?

dansari wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:34 pmInstead of copy/pasting Winds of Insanity, which in its own right is a very good ability, what about the opposite effect:

bypassing their immunities

lefze wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:29 pm They can indeed pick it up yes, but I think it's already established that the difference in power of the suggested ability and winds is in the runies favour.

And again this brings me to the point of this change not really being tied to a dps spec, as suggested in the proposal. If you want to buff dps RP, take a look at what makes dps zeally so good for warbands. It's not Winds, and this change won't suddenly make dps RP a thing for bombing.

Lektroluv wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:57 pm Appealing to balance one ability based in the mirror, was not part of the balance rules i think...

But even going further, you asking for make the ability you talking about undefendable and skip inmunity, when the zealot mirror one was nerfed in this server and past from skip inmunity to respect inmunity.