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Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:05 am
by Sulorie
roadkillrobin wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:45 am
The winning side is the one with the best dps preassure and able to take out enemy dps preassure. You can win without healing even tho losing the suvurvivability from healing is not really sustaineble.
Take out enemy dps and it's not gonna mather how much healing the other team does coz they are no longer a threat. So no, having the moast healers isn't the winning factor.
Exactly, it boggles my mind why still people run the "kill healers first" tactic. To overcome healing you have to assist.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:54 am
by Fallenkezef
Sulorie wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:05 am
roadkillrobin wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:45 am
The winning side is the one with the best dps preassure and able to take out enemy dps preassure. You can win without healing even tho losing the suvurvivability from healing is not really sustaineble.
Take out enemy dps and it's not gonna mather how much healing the other team does coz they are no longer a threat. So no, having the moast healers isn't the winning factor.
Exactly, it boggles my mind why still people run the "kill healers first" tactic. To overcome healing you have to assist.
People see the dps being healed and think they have to kill the healer.
As you say it all comes down to working together. Thats why any premade will beat any pug just by working together on one target at a time
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:46 pm
by Rydiak
I would take a competent melee train over glut of healers any day.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:58 pm
by daniilpb
You should remember that the game was designed about mass ORvR with hundreds of people fighting in one place. Most of AOE skills have limits on how many targets it can hit but there are no limits on how many enemies can hit YOU.
Imagine a situation when you have only 2 healers in your group who can heal you and there are 100 of enemies who can land at least one skill on you. So, yeah, healing numbers are too big for small scale for sure, competent healer can negate more than 3 damage dealers focusing the protective target.
Just deal with it, the game is made for big numbers
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:11 pm
by Sulorie
daniilpb wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:58 pm
So, yeah, healing numbers are too big for small scale for sure, competent healer can negate more than 3 damage dealers focusing the protective target.
Not possible without guarding, when you add healdebuffs.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:19 pm
by daniilpb
Sulorie wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:11 pm
daniilpb wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:58 pm
So, yeah, healing numbers are too big for small scale for sure, competent healer can negate more than 3 damage dealers focusing the protective target.
Not possible without guarding, when you add healdebuffs.
Guard doesn't stack with detaunt so meh. Believe me Voldepoule's zealot can kite 2 parties or even more without health dropping lower than 50%. And RP is even tougher. One premade group can kite a warband through the whole pairing.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:22 pm
by Druin
Kiting a bunch of pugs doesn't matter. No single healer can outheal 4 competent damage dealers.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:26 pm
by Darosh
Sulorie wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:11 pm
daniilpb wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:58 pm
So, yeah, healing numbers are too big for small scale for sure, competent healer can negate more than 3 damage dealers focusing the protective target.
Not possible without guarding, when you add healdebuffs.
TLDR: Group up; assist, guardstrip, debuff.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:26 pm
by adamthelc
I have made a thread complaining about how too many healers can make a match ridiculous in one way or another. But I dont have a problem with healers, quite the opposite.
There are plenty of games that have a philosophy against dedicated healers. Ive tried them, they are terrible and thats why I am here playing this game again.
An excessive amount of healers is a crutch, it can be insurmountable in a pug and can sometimes seem very ridiculous. But it can be a liability to a well formed group that plays well.
Re: Healing kills PvP!
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am
by bichka
peterthepan3 wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:10 am
You shouldn't be killing competent healers if you're attacking them alone.
why not if it's WH/WE with both healdebuffs?