Return of Reckoning

Parry won't help if they're in Grace/Vitality stance but there are many ways to mess with their ability to melee and most of them will work.

Panzerkasper wrote:

kryss wrote:So there's no point in using HD, might as well run ini bullets all the time, except for pure healers. It would be nice to be able to switch while stealthed (but this is another story): anyway, I guess I will try a parry/riposte spec, or avoid mDoks altogether and be done with it.

PS. I know this server is not balanced on 1 vs 1, but think about what mDok+tank duos can do to full parties

Go for BBoC since they will do more damage and the AP loss may hurt them more then a simple Ini debuff (Be sure to have flowing Accusations). Unfortunatly the Bullet mechanic is not ideal for this, since it only procs on your Executions.

BBoC bullets are trash, at least in my experience on live and here. Don't think that amount (as a finisher at least) can really stop their mechanic.

Panzerkasper wrote:

sotora wrote:Even before changes any decent WP was practically unkillable solo by WE, even if speeced anti-heal (both incoming&outgoing heal debuffs). Solo kills happened almost exclusively if WP panicked or was extremaly unlucky.

So i really do doubt WP/DoK recent patch changes much, as WP / DoK simply do not need new Vitality/Devotion melle heal buff to outheal your damage. It can outheal you using both old pre-patch spec and new one.

Not if you specced correctly for solo roaming. If you used Suffering Tree for ganking, its your own fault

Nah. Decent WP could weather carnage crit spec too.

kryss wrote:

Panzerkasper wrote:

kryss wrote:So there's no point in using HD, might as well run ini bullets all the time, except for pure healers. It would be nice to be able to switch while stealthed (but this is another story): anyway, I guess I will try a parry/riposte spec, or avoid mDoks altogether and be done with it.

PS. I know this server is not balanced on 1 vs 1, but think about what mDok+tank duos can do to full parties

Go for BBoC since they will do more damage and the AP loss may hurt them more then a simple Ini debuff (Be sure to have flowing Accusations). Unfortunatly the Bullet mechanic is not ideal for this, since it only procs on your Executions.

BBoC bullets are trash, at least in my experience on live and here. Don't think that amount (as a finisher at least) can really stop their mechanic.

I admit the Bullet mechanic is not as good as the WE Kisses, but BBoC will still do more damage the BBoP, because they will have the higher tooltip damage if you are specced for BaL, since its overall the better skillset.

Panzerkasper wrote:

kryss wrote:

Panzerkasper wrote:
Go for BBoC since they will do more damage and the AP loss may hurt them more then a simple Ini debuff (Be sure to have flowing Accusations). Unfortunatly the Bullet mechanic is not ideal for this, since it only procs on your Executions.

BBoC bullets are trash, at least in my experience on live and here. Don't think that amount (as a finisher at least) can really stop their mechanic.

I admit the Bullet mechanic is not as good as the WE Kisses, but BBoC will still do more damage the BBoP, because they will have the higher tooltip damage if you are specced for BaL, since its overall the better skillset.

Don't underestimate the Crit buff given by the Ini bullets, it is not amazing but significant

one does not simply choose his bullet by the damage it does. srsly tho my wp in full max dps gear has like 120 init with the init bullet debuff on the usual 11/0/16 spec id probably be at 50% crit but still even before the buff i could barely kill doks on my wh with blasphemy and reposte either they died in the first 5 sec of burst or sigil of sigmar and cya. now i wouldnt even try it they probably heal more than your max possible dps and cant rng killed with lucky parries gg doks. btw never use the cleansing bullet it sucks.

Falkenstein wrote:one does not simply choose his bullet by the damage it does. srsly tho my wp in full max dps gear has like 120 init with the init bullet debuff on the usual 11/0/16 spec id probably be at 50% crit but still even before the buff i could barely kill doks on my wh with blasphemy and reposte either they died in the first 5 sec of burst or sigil of sigmar and cya. now i wouldnt even try it they probably heal more than your max possible dps and cant rng killed with lucky parries gg doks. btw never use the cleansing bullet it sucks.

Ofc you wont kill them if you spec into Confession. Why would you? Just to kill melee DoKs, wich will be even more unlikely since you lack a huge load of damage by sacrificing SoD (Not to mention losing the HD).
So lets be true here trying to gank a melee DoK is a waste of time in 99% of the case, whatever spec you run. You may only kill him if he panics or is semi afk.