Return of Reckoning

But the best way to solve the pug problem is by not playing with pugs. Until the devs implement a scenario queue that only matches groups vs groups or solo queue vs solo queue, then you are going to be stuck with bads.

Shifty wrote: either play my sh rr39 (3d time cuz rerolls - dayum rerolls hurt me ;( )
or my rr5x sorc which both need a guard and or heals to be efficient dps****.

None RDPS never don't get guard in PUG scenarios. I understand your point, you are "Too bad for T4 premade, how win as pug". Your destro pug is very bad, order pug is better. But if your secend party is premade, on 90% you win. On order side sometimes are people in T1 gear. Try kill them.

kali u dont get my point. -> there it is . point .

my point is i cant queue 24/7 with my premade
so when iam not playing premade i have to play with pugs
and pugs ARE extremely bad
so try to get my point before u post random stuff which is neither helping or improving pug quality

Shifty wrote: iam more or less rlly pissed about pug scs
going in as heal shaman results in no dps or any focus
going in as dd results in either no heal or tanks who actively guard ppl
"some" ppl think dps tank is a option to play

I told the SC group yesterday the exact same thing

On order side I barely got any heal, I Guarded some focused squishies did everytime almost 1/3rd more dmg than all others (without thorns aura!) And we simply could not kill anything! The main problem I mostly see is, that they have no BALLS to go the hell into their lines! Funny to watch me being the only one at their casters and healers, meanwhile our Brightwizzards try to melee maul their fat Ork tanks... Order melees tend to be afraid to die (with their precious handsome toons), therefore they prefer to whack on tanks, instead of beating the crap out of their Sorcs/Magus/Heals.

When I play DPS, I get no heals, when I tank, nothing dies. Really especially in lower tiers the only objective reason for this is: 1 Scenario you come together with COMPLETE NOOBS, the next one you get half decent ppl and you CRUSH the enemy team. Thats almost everyday.

What I too noticed:

Order rapes Destruction pretty hard. But as soon as EU time tends to be 23+ in the night, many good players go offline --> But at the same time the decent Destru US players join. Now from this time on, the pole shifts. Order has a pretty hard time then.
Seems like afternoon EU time many decent players on order. EU nighttime many good players on Destru. Thats my observation. But I am only here since August.

BrockRiefenstahl wrote: I told the SC group yesterday the exact same thing

On order side I barely got any heal, I Guarded some focused squishies did everytime almost 1/3rd more dmg than all others (without thorns aura!) And we simply could not kill anything! The main problem I mostly see is, that they have no BALLS to go the hell into their lines! Funny to watch me being the only one at their casters and healers, meanwhile our Brightwizzards try to melee maul their fat Ork tanks... Order melees tend to be afraid to die (with their precious handsome toons), therefore they prefer to whack on tanks, instead of beating the crap out of their Sorcs/Magus/Heals.

When I play DPS, I get no heals, when I tank, nothing dies. Really especially in lower tiers the only objective reason for this is: 1 Scenario you come together with COMPLETE NOOBS, the next one you get half decent ppl and you CRUSH the enemy team. Thats almost everyday.

Tell me about it. I mostly am the only mdps at the destro healers in the sc i play. It is annoying.
And if I say something, I get the answer, not to be so reckless.

At the end of the day both sides got decent and completely garbage groups. I play both sides in SCs and therefore I experienced it on both sides.
What really seems to be a difference is: Destru Meleed/Tanks got bigger balls. They seem to be more badass and not so much afraid to possibly die. While order ones are pretty often complete sissies.

Theseus wrote: I mostly am the only mdps at the destro healers in the sc i play. It is annoying.
And if I say something, I get the answer, not to be so reckless.

If you try you are fine, but on your place I will just use pet to pull healers to me. I play slayer and have comparing problem when I am solo on destro healers and RDPS. I was treat as tank by order so long, but no more. I will stay now behind BW and together with him attack tanks.

Kali14 wrote:

Theseus wrote: I mostly am the only mdps at the destro healers in the sc i play. It is annoying.
And if I say something, I get the answer, not to be so reckless.

If you try you are fine, but on your place I will just use pet to pull healers to me. I play slayer and have comparing problem when I am solo on destro healers and RDPS. I was treat as tank by order so long, but no more. I will stay now behind BW and together with him attack tanks.

Of course you trie that, but that doesnt help you always, due to imunities, sometimes, you have to go in.

Shifty wrote: iam more or less rlly pissed about pug scs
going in as heal shaman results in no dps or any focus
going in as dd results in either no heal or tanks who actively guard ppl
"some" ppl think dps tank is a option to play
i tell u its not
same for "dps shamans"
theyre both **** and shouldnt be played AT ALL times (later if ur rr60+ play what u want the gear carries u then)

Or you know, let people play whatever they want to play.

A someone said it nicely playing as a pug is a gamble, sometimes you play with those that know what to do and also sometimes you play with folks that only hit tanks to the bitter end