Do not reintroduce LoTD/Sov and higher armors/sc 65+weapons.

[Kaitanaroyr]

No point in this discussion yet since the game is only up to 2 t1 zones....

[Grolar]

Yeah..Warhammer PvE is a joke. After all its Warhammer, not WoWhammer. In various interviews I've read with Marc Jacobs it painfully obvious that he prefers PvP and sieges over questing and dungeon farming and I'm glad.
If I had my way, the entire Warhammer Online world would be free for all. You want a dungeon? fight for it! Just like the city sieges. Only safe place might be a Warcamp, or some other small oasis, but even those could be captured. PvP is this game. PvE was an after thought thrown in to attract the care bears and bronies. That said, lets wait for T2 to open up for this topic to continue.

[Gorwe]

Yeah..Warhammer PvE is a joke. After all its Warhammer, not WoWhammer. In various interviews I've read with Marc Jacobs it painfully obvious that he prefers PvP and sieges over questing and dungeon farming and I'm glad.
If I had my way, the entire Warhammer Online world would be free for all. You want a dungeon? fight for it! Just like the city sieges. Only safe place might be a Warcamp, or some other small oasis, but even those could be captured. PvP is this game. PvE was an after thought thrown in to attract the care bears and bronies. That said, lets wait for T2 to open up for this topic to continue.

About Warhammer being WARhammer, not WoWhammer...2 can play that game. Warcraft is WARcraft, not WoWcraft, whatever whoever might think of it. There is absolutely NO reason why a Warhammer game shouldn't have PvE. Want some(rather big) examples?

-> Warhammer Fantasy Role Play
-> Warhammer Quest

This argument that Warhammer = PvP is, frankly, idiotic. And stems from and only from Mythic's mythic ineptitude to make anything work. Or is PvE not a crucial aspect of RvR? Crafting stuff, providing logistical support, zone locks etc? Not in WAR, but still the idea that RvR = zerg PvP is, simply, not true. Even Mark would agree with me. I LOVE RvR, but only when it is a keystone of a game(not showed in like in WAR's case).

This problem is only compounded by GW themselves who have a bad case of Tunnel Vision. They think that they can survive only with Fantasy and 40k TT(I'd argue that Warmachine, what with it being more accessible and more easier to understand, is going to topple them within 5 years) where they could have a FANTASTIC line of products.

And we still don't have a single-player Warhammer RPG.

edit: I agree that WF, DF and most of LoTD mustn't be recreated. Sovereign should, otoh, but have its stats cut. Sth like Black Market sov. Why? Because of its art. When put together, it is the nicest armour most classes can get. Can you make it even better looking by mix/matching? Yes you can. Can you make other armour sets that look just as good or even better than by using mix/matching? Yes you can. But its art should remain in the game.

[Kragg]

gear stats are send from the server so we could rebalanced stuff

Does that include the option to set basic items to different class for roleplay purposes?

[Dana]

gear stats are send from the server so we could rebalanced stuff

Does that include the option to set basic items to different class for roleplay purposes?

Possible.

[Aceboltz]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if land of the dead was scraped completely. For me it was one of the biggest mistake a game developper can make and a terrible budget management (as if the millions allowed to war developpement have been used to pour champagne on whores teats).
Lotd broke the game, it brough endless bugs at every level of the game, it was awful, you were required to do pve to win in pvp and the rewards seemed to be here only to make healers more invincible and bright priest / witch hunters even more broken; I simply hated it.

For me, the time, money , and human ressources used to create lotd was juste an epic waste and the final blow the management of war had make to his own game. It coincided with the biggest population exodus and it is normal: no game developper should waste his time and ressources to add pve content when every single player asks for pvp, bug correction and class balance.

[RyanMakara]

Warhammer = PvP is false. From the start of the game design, they intended for a curve that lead from 80% PvE, 20% PvP in T1, towards 20% PvE and 80% PvP in T4. They never got to develop the way fully this way, and decided to focus on the RvR in 2010, by introducing the Skaven expansion pack. That's when people saw Warhammer Online as a pure RvR game, and the PvE was seen as insignificant, simply because Mythic stopped caaring for its development and place in the Warhammer World. That nullified about 50% of the entire game's development, EA has been destructing this game since its release. They got the money from the hype and initial sales, then milked the RvR content they created for 4 years.

[Azarael]

About Warhammer being WARhammer, not WoWhammer...2 can play that game. Warcraft is WARcraft, not WoWcraft, whatever whoever might think of it. There is absolutely NO reason why a Warhammer game shouldn't have PvE. Want some(rather big) examples?

You completely misunderstood his point. When he says Warhammer, he doesn't mean the entire universe, he means THIS particular game ONLY. Therefore, his point is entirely valid: this game was marketed based on its PvP content and never on its PvE, and he will always be right when he says that WoW does that better. Anyone attempting to compete with WoW in PvE is going to fail.

Mythic's failures in PvP led to the fall of this game, and in this I agree with what you said about zerg PvP - that should never be the focus of a skilled game. Class design, gameplay and balance just go to hell in mass PvP and the Warhammer implementation of massive open RvR is trash. Lag, AoE dominance and complete lack of strategy ruin it.

[RyanMakara]

About Warhammer being WARhammer, not WoWhammer...2 can play that game. Warcraft is WARcraft, not WoWcraft, whatever whoever might think of it. There is absolutely NO reason why a Warhammer game shouldn't have PvE. Want some(rather big) examples?

You completely misunderstood his point. When he says Warhammer, he doesn't mean the entire universe, he means THIS particular game ONLY. Therefore, his point is entirely valid: this game was marketed based on its PvP content and never on its PvE, and he will always be right when he says that WoW does that better. Anyone attempting to compete with WoW in PvE is going to fail.

Not true. They tried to create a hybrid style of combat by having solid PvE, solid PvP, and a mix of this in various parts of the game. It was never fully developed, however, and when EA saw the ship sinking they tried to scoop out as much water for as long as they could.

[Kaitanaroyr]

Yet it ended up 98% pvp 2% pve till rr 100 update lol. I enjoyed lotd pre 100 update since you could actually run into people and crush them after the patch i ended up doing pqs on my sm with destro. Lotd is basically a leveling zone pocket items are about the only thing i used from lotd after they fixed lotd back piece /cry tovl was a joke some of the armor was nice.