Return of Reckoning

peterthepan3 wrote:But it's a given that Grace WPs/Sacrifice DOKs have always been powerful/OP in 1v1/2v1 situations. That, however, has no bearing on the fact that in a group-orientated game, the DPS WP offers nothing.

No, but it is a good comparison to its current state.

You could take a Wrath priest and have a subpar melee DPS that can't close gaps and is squishy as usual, or you can take a Grace priest which can hold their own without too much babysitting, while still having comparable damage.

Wrath needs a buff.

Heal debuff won't do anything in 1v1, unless you're ganking a (DoK) healer. This buff only affects group play, where Wrath could use a hand.

well to be honest AM/Shamans got also 50% heal debuff (although shaman''s ones is crap) at their dps trees for 9 points so why not for doks and wps.

the negative side is that this is buff for pure healbot wps since at lvl 40 wp could take all needed healing from heal tree + 50% heal debuff and perma aoe detaunt. So yea

Well, if a suicidal Salvation WP wants to run into melee to cast this then at least we can say he played the way Sigmar intended.

I see this as potentially problematic:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

My suggestion would to be just give WP the heal on crit that DoK has. Give them a new ability. That way Salv can't use it.

Wrath has an advantage of its own, it can still use divine assault and sigmars radiance strike to prop them up.

I try not to think about skills and classes in a vacuum, but rather as a whole and what their roles should be in a party. The primary role of the Warrior priest is healer, secondary role is dps. No one is bringing a melee WP as their main source of DPS, and 20s cool down on a 50% healing debuff that last 10 seconds is more then enough time to coordinate a strike on a target to secure a kill.

Possible 100% uptime of a healing debuff is far to much into the realm of the DPS classes. Class balance for damage dealing healers is tricky, and honestly order has a lot of 50% healing debuffs that are pretty easy to attain. BW/AM/SL/IB/WH

Those are the most common sources I can think of off the top of my head, I know RP and WL have 50% ones also but they are fairly uncommon.

* perhaps az, you could move the WP AoE detaunt and RP 50% heal debuff on crit around to mirror the doks dps tree more?

I can't believe I just asked for a salv WP nerf Dunno how that could be worked out just a thought.

For: Can't think of a for right now tbh, because:

Against: They already bring utility in the form of self-healing and with the other changes I've noticed an improvement in how well they can keep themselves up, and do damage. Why should a hybrid melee-HEALER also be given the 50% inc heal debuff which is the territory of pure mdps? If this keeps up there'll be no point running pure mdps, just roll a WP/DOK for all your healing, tanking and dps needs.

Luranni wrote: Against: They already bring utility in the form of self-healing and with the other changes I've noticed an improvement in how well they can keep themselves up, and do damage. Why should a hybrid melee-HEALER also be given the 50% inc heal debuff which is the territory of pure mdps? If this keeps up there'll be no point running pure mdps, just roll a WP/DOK for all your healing, tanking and dps needs.

um AMs got perma 50% heal debuff.... didnt saw them to steal the spot from real dps classes.

Nameless wrote:

Luranni wrote: Against: They already bring utility in the form of self-healing and with the other changes I've noticed an improvement in how well they can keep themselves up, and do damage. Why should a hybrid melee-HEALER also be given the 50% inc heal debuff which is the territory of pure mdps? If this keeps up there'll be no point running pure mdps, just roll a WP/DOK for the all your healing, tanking and dps needs.

um AMs got perma 50% heal debuff.... didnt saw them to steal the spot from real dps classes.

DoKs too. They're strong but they haven't taken MDPS jobs yet. Also, self healing is nice but it's not group utility.

Luranni wrote:For: Can't think of a for right now tbh, because:

Against: They already bring utility in the form of self-healing and with the other changes I've noticed an improvement in how well they can keep themselves up, and do damage. Why should a hybrid melee-HEALER also be given the 50% inc heal debuff which is the territory of pure mdps? If this keeps up there'll be no point running pure mdps, just roll a WP/DOK for all your healing, tanking and dps needs.

Umm...so because a Wrath WP can self-heal (crap self-heal ,compared to Grace), they don't need anything given to them. Their damage is crap. Have you tried to play one? If not, I implore you to do so.

Yet again another post from a misinformed player.