Some reflections on melee SW

[Scrilian]

Why can't Sweeping Slash become a copy of Bad Gas? :^)
At least that makes anyone to take a Melee SH in their warband.

I smell Orderbias

No way! It's purely to help the underperforming melee SW and has nothing to do with any bias what so ever

Spoiler:

Besides how anyone deny they want to see some Big Bouncin'! mirrored to their pretty petit female SW ?

[Manatikik]

Well the assualt sw isn't really effective till about rr 60 - so keep that in mind; you need as many points as possible to get EW and SA in Assault Tree and enough points for SS and KA in Skirmisher to really be effective. The Assualt SW is also balanced around more of 1v1's out in ORvR or putting out mediocre DPS form afar with healers and then taking down any MDPS who come to try to **** with your healers.

1) Sweeping strikes is terrible and isn't worth trying to fix - SW have 4 AoE abilities (one of which is a tactic spec) and will never be AoE based.

2) Swift Strike's place is really only useful if you are ganking Sorcs/Healers in the back of SC's and while its a decent skill like Sweeping Strikes isn't really worth picking up and will needa complete rework to be totally useful.

3) No Respite could use a little buff but what tactic are you gonna give up to use it? (Keen Arrowheads, Sinister Assault, Wrist Slash, Bullseye/Replenishing Strikes/Leading Shots (very rare to use honestly unless you are in a premade that really relies on it)). If anything it would buff Skirmisher for people who want to be as close as possible.

4) In Live i know it worked with VoN on; so far i haven't seen it work as intended but there will be bugs. And if it bypasses all armor and crits does it really need more base damage? It would be nice but maybe too strong.

5) People talked about that a lot for Live but you already Dual Wield with the bow and sword stat wise (which is a lot more important than the extra weapon adds to other classes) so just remember to always get the Sword thats better for range, and it will translate to being greatfor melee without gimping your ranged dps. If they got greatswords they would have to completely recode a lot of items and that would be only a minor buff which imo isn't worth the time.

Honestly the only change Assault SW's need to be effective is to make Takedown not require a stance; this would give Assault SW's a nice gap closer that they need for T2/T3. I also think you're focusing too much on the "melee" aspect of Assault; the main strength is the burst damage, equal ranged/melee strength and the bonus survivability from the double armor.

This is all just my opinion but I mained an Assault SW on Live for about 1.5 years, and this was before all the SW buffs. I would honestly say Assault SW is the most skill intensive class to play just based on all the mechanics.

[Deadpoet]

I appreciate all the replies, which are really helpful.After reading all replies I think the best, simplest way to deal with the FACT that SWs should have a melee weapon set comparable to other melee classes (mdps and tanks namely). This is easily achievable:

Simply 2 handed sword with 2handed damage and speed BUT 1handed stats.

because stats is the issue.

[daniilpb]

Everyone hate SW, elfs and orderbiased.
So this thread is just a tear in the ocean. Nothing will change.
WPs , BWs, Kotbs and Slayers are the meta classes.
No real need in others they can be deleted
#captain frustration

[Scrilian]

Everyone hate SW, elfs and orderbiased.
So this thread is just a tear in the ocean. Nothing will change.
WPs , BWs, Kotbs and Slayers are the meta classes.
No real need in others they can be deleted
#captain frustration

Maybe if you fought like them, instead of dancing around, kissing and singing, you would not be called #captain girly pants, elfboy?

[daniilpb]

Everyone hate SW, elfs and orderbiased.
So this thread is just a tear in the ocean. Nothing will change.
WPs , BWs, Kotbs and Slayers are the meta classes.
No real need in others they can be deleted
#captain frustration

Maybe if you fought like them, instead of dancing around, kissing and singing, you would not be called #captain girly pants, elfboy?

Oh! Time to water my pretty flowers!
One day I'll put some on your gravestone, brutal slayer

[Tklees]

Why can't Sweeping Slash become a copy of Bad Gas? :^)
At least that makes anyone to take a Melee SH in their warband.

It's called shatter limbs. As someone who posts after I suggest slayer nerfs every time I think you know it.

As to melee SW, stat conversion should remain the same put simply you need to make up your mind. Are you a melee or a ranged? Being both has too much potential to be game breaking so your renown spec should only go to one side. I understand this makes your dots not hit as hard but that is the sacrifice you make to use the melee abilities.

I do agree a buff to the abilities in those trees is merited due to the lack of stat conversion though to make up for your lack of dps from low balistics.

The DW thing could def be linked to the stance like Mara's I believe and wouldn't be game breaking.

[Aquilon]

Maybe if you fought like them, instead of dancing around, kissing and singing, you would not be called #captain girly pants, elfboy?

Hmm, hmm...Why dwarfs are always so concernd about "girly pants" and elfs's sexual identity? It tells a lot about these midgets. Hmm,hmm...

Everyone hate SW, elfs and orderbiased.
So this thread is just a tear in the ocean. Nothing will change.
WPs , BWs, Kotbs and Slayers are the meta classes.
No real need in others they can be deleted
#captain frustration

SW is ill-fated. Mythic buffed SW one day, nerfed the other. Destru lobby is strong here too.

As to melee SW, stat conversion should remain the same put simply you need to make up your mind. Are you a melee or a ranged? Being both has too much potential to be game breaking so your renown spec should only go to one side. I understand this makes your dots not hit as hard but that is the sacrifice you make to use the melee abilities.

I do agree a buff to the abilities in those trees is merited due to the lack of stat conversion though to make up for your lack of dps from low balistics.

Mastery points are limited, so being both is hardly possible. While you're, probably, right about renown points, Masterful Aim should be converted, I think.

Breaking point better to be achieved befor stating any conclusions.

[Scrilian]

Maybe if you fought like them, instead of dancing around, kissing and singing, you would not be called #captain girly pants, elfboy?

Hmm, hmm...Why dwarfs are always so concernd about "girly pants" and elfs's sexual identity? It tells a lot about these midgets. Hmm,hmm...

Aw, that's harsh, coming from someone who wears make up

[Aquilon]

Aw, that's harsh, coming from someone who wears make up

Wait, what? Make up?...Looks like cerebral commotion. Must be a work-related disease...
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