Improving the 2H blackguard playstyle

[Penril]

Ok then. How about changing the way Feeding on Pain works?

Feeding on Pain - Spiteful Slam no longer requires a block, but the duration is set at 3 secs.

It would require a tactic (just like Chosen/KotBS require a tactic to have a good ST punt). It wouldn't change SnB BGs AT ALL. And it would force BGs to go Loathing for a KD (just like BOs have to go Da Toughest, Chosen go Corruption, SMs go Vaul, etc.).

Is that better? worse?

Im sorry, but having the KD on Malice tree (with no tactic requirement; just by changing BoR) is too much. Either make it require a tactic, or put it in Loathing tree.

[Coryphaus]

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

yesh...that is not a pretty mastery spec....decisions will have to be made

[zabis]

Ok then. How about changing the way Feeding on Pain works?

Feeding on Pain - Spiteful Slam no longer requires a block, but the duration is set at 3 secs.

It would require a tactic (just like Chosen/KotBS require a tactic to have a good ST punt). It wouldn't change SnB BGs AT ALL. And it would force BGs to go Loathing for a KD (just like BOs have to go Da Toughest, Chosen go Corruption, SMs go Vaul, etc.).

Is that better? worse?

Im sorry, but having the KD on Malice tree (with no tactic requirement; just by changing BoR) is too much. Either make it require a tactic, or put it in Loathing tree.

That wouldn't work either. The main reason a BG goes 2H is for Crimson Death. That takes 14 mastery points. You would currently need 8 more points for Feeding on Pain.

[Coryphaus]

Use penrils suggestion but swap feeding on pain and terrifying foe's positions on the tree?

[zabis]

That would take 18 mastery points, so we couldn't currently use that spec, and we also would not be able to spec wounds debuff and crit, the KD needs to be attached to Monstrous Ruin for it to be viable I believe.

[Uchoo]

Ok then. How about changing the way Feeding on Pain works?

Feeding on Pain - Spiteful Slam no longer requires a block, but the duration is set at 3 secs.

It would require a tactic (just like Chosen/KotBS require a tactic to have a good ST punt). It wouldn't change SnB BGs AT ALL. And it would force BGs to go Loathing for a KD (just like BOs have to go Da Toughest, Chosen go Corruption, SMs go Vaul, etc.).

Is that better? worse?

Im sorry, but having the KD on Malice tree (with no tactic requirement; just by changing BoR) is too much. Either make it require a tactic, or put it in Loathing tree.

I'm completely okay with the idea of a tactic giving them a knockdown, or an ability, just not both, that seems excessive to me.

[Penril]

Ok then. How about changing the way Feeding on Pain works?

Feeding on Pain - Spiteful Slam no longer requires a block, but the duration is set at 3 secs.

It would require a tactic (just like Chosen/KotBS require a tactic to have a good ST punt). It wouldn't change SnB BGs AT ALL. And it would force BGs to go Loathing for a KD (just like BOs have to go Da Toughest, Chosen go Corruption, SMs go Vaul, etc.).

Is that better? worse?

Im sorry, but having the KD on Malice tree (with no tactic requirement; just by changing BoR) is too much. Either make it require a tactic, or put it in Loathing tree.

That wouldn't work either. The main reason a BG goes 2H is for Crimson Death. That takes 14 mastery points. You would currently need 8 more points for Feeding on Pain.

Here you go.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

You keep all your damage and gain a KD. You lose SK and CF. Just like a BO going for most damage will spec Brawler/Toughest and forfeit the AoE snare and AoE WS buff (or ignore the KD and just go full Greenest for a Shut Yer Face! build). Just like a Chosen going for Rending Blade and Oppresive Blows would lose either the KD or the Stagger.

[zabis]

That spec will be nice, EVENTUALLY. But as we currently stand, we would not be able to take Crimson Death and a tactic in another tree to spec for KD

[Penril]

BTW, my suggestions are based on a rank 40 rr70 character. I'm thinking about T4.

[Uchoo]

Here you go.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

You keep all your damage and gain a KD. You lose SK and CF. Just like a BO going for most damage will spec Brawler/Toughest and forfeit the AoE snare and AoE WS buff (or ignore the KD and just go full Greenest for a Shut Yer Face! build). Just like a Chosen going for Rending Blade and Oppresive Blows would lose either the KD or the Stagger.

Sooo... what about this?

I mean, it is their faction mirror.. SM/Borc and Chosen/Kotbs have their knockdowns in the tank tree, but then there's that.

Doesn't it just make more sense to do it like that? I really don't see how anyone could compare it otherwise or find it even remotely OP that BG's could have a knockdown with a 2H. They still have would less utility options than that build, albeit arguably more or less powerful options, they would still have less.

They are the only tank mirrors left that have fundamental differences in their trees.