Improving the 2H blackguard playstyle

[TenTonHammer]

Its fine as it is, they are mirrors, not clones and I abhor people wanting exact replicas on both sides.

If i had wanted clones i would have made a lot more requests/changes

Asking for a kd like every other tank has is in no way similar to asking that BG be mad einto an exact "clone" of IB

I simple refer to cave in as it is a knockdown that you can only use when you have a 2h

[noisestorm]

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:

Build max str/crit. Take morale armor debuff. Run with marauder & this BG as DPS. Have BO and Chosen as Tanks. Let someone else Guard you. Just for the lulz

Basically still 2x ChampChallenge from maintanks. Stacking morale armor debuff together with the 1600 from your mara. Spammable outgoing healdebuff. Undetauntable (no dmg loss yay). Cheap extra crit for your team. And you can even keep dat sweet Exile

AA dps with the 50% haste and pretty much endless crits should be quite decent. Also the Enraged Beating on a double armor debuffed and taunted (dat sweet 30% extra dmg) clothie/med armor(without armor slots) should hit extremely high. Hell if you run with a BO and he even buffs you some WS (which the marauder most likely doesnt need anyways) and Skull Thumper the Enraged Beating will seriously hurt

I prophesy the new meta of triple tank teams ~_~


Joking aside - I'd really like to see how much ones dmg compares to the one of a Choppa with equal STR. Some basic comparisons should be possible already I guess ?

[War]

Its fine as it is, they are mirrors, not clones and I abhor people wanting exact replicas on both sides. You want to hand over superpunt to IBs too?

Spoken like one who hasn't/doesn't play both classes. Nobody said anything about cloning or exact replicas.
Both punts are good, the IB's has great distance on half the cooldown. The problem lies wherein the 2h BG has no access to a KD, which all the other 2h tanks have the option. Especially when the IB has something as impactful as Cave-In.

[Nishka]

BG has super punt while KOTBS must waste a tactic slot to make his castrated punt more useful. And even with tactic BG's knockback is still stronger. Not fair! Mirror please!

[War]

BG has super punt while KOTBS must waste a tactic slot to make his castrated punt more useful. And even with tactic BG's knockback is still stronger. Not fair! Mirror please!

No amount of worthless trolling will distract from the glaring fact that the 2h BG is missing a crucial ability not only from it's mirror, the IB, but from the entire tank archetype.

[Nishka]

It's not trolling. I'm trying to show you the point that each class has it's own strengths and weaknesses (even after all these years of mythics trying to mirror them).
BG compensates the lack of 2handed knockdown with other forms of control being superior: best punt in the game, the longest knockdown in the game which is core (even if it requires a shield to use)

[Coryphaus]

Hence why SnB BG is much, much better than 2H black guard

Hence why 2H bg should atleast get a kd, even if it require you to give up a tactic slot like was suggested in this thread

As a kotbs player you have no right to say anything when your pretty much the best tank in the game

[Nishka]

Hence why SnB BG is much, much better than 2H black guard

Hence why 2H bg should atleast get a kd, even if it require you to give up a tactic slot like was suggested in this thread

As a kotbs player you have no right to say anything when your pretty much the best tank in the game

Now that was insulting. "Playing the best tank in the game means you can't share your opinion" - says the guy who plays the best melee dps in the game.

[Coryphaus]

I wasnt the one asking mockingly or not to mirror super punt

[War]

It's not trolling. I'm trying to show you the point that each class has it's own strengths and weaknesses (even after all these years of mythics trying to mirror them).
BG compensates the lack of 2handed knockdown with other forms of control being superior: best punt in the game, the longest knockdown in the game which is core (even if it requires a shield to use)

That's exactly the problem...there's no point to using a 2h when you lose the best KD in the game and do not have a Cave-In mirror. You go from having a fantastic KD to no KD whatsoever. The IB can go 2h and get a fantastic KD.

If you cannot understand why the 2h BG is in need of a Cave-In mirror, you're either delusional or haven't played a BG and IB.