Will rifters get punished?

[Nanji]

Aw, Nanji. Nice try but it's very different. You're able to jump on the squishiest of targets who is showing himself on the edge of the wall fully aware that WL might pounce him coz he is waiting 65f below the wall and deal great burst in seconds when not detaunted or dying withing seconds vs going thru the back door where you immidiately aggro mobs which can be killed within seconds while you can still stay in guardrange at the postern

fixed it for you, sounds like a real alternative, a shame nobody tries, ever... well you might need a grp for that

[Renork]

@Coryphaus Where did I say it would be gamebreaking?

I said unnecessary, because choppa is viable.
And I despise mirroring, so if you want to buff choppa aoe tree, change Chop fasta.

@ Renork

L2p can be mostly used against skills who are working like intended.
Pulling through keep doors isn't working as intended and the best thing you can do against it is staying afk away from the door.

But logic doesn't really appeal to you does it.

Pounce is not working like intended, but that logic wouldn't apply to you either would it?

[RyanMakara]

@renorc
Aza called it.
Still someone wrote "l2p" therefore this person wanted rift/EM being disabled around keeps.
Easy to see.

It's not a 'l2p' issue in general when you get rifted/pulled through walls/doors, since this isn't supposed to happen in the game. It becomes a l2p issue when you CONTINUE to stand near walls/door, knwoing that you might get pulled, and then take off to the forums to demand for it to be removed cus you're getting infuriated by it.

This whole ordeal is simply a switching of the metagame. As long as rift/magnet/GTTC can be exploited, it WILL. Better players will adjust to this and act accordingly, while the worse players would rather have an outright blanket neft. Basically, saying "l2p" applies to more than what we knew from live, it relates to how well aware people are about various ability bugs, and how to deal with them before the devs find a way to balance and fix the classes.

Learning to play = avoid keepfights as a melee/tank. Got it. Much logic much wow.
When sb is abusing bugs it can never be a l2p issue. NEVER

Oh right since rifts/magnet pulls work over MILES in the courtyard between the inner and the outer door when the door is up. No, just don't be an idiot and stand in the doorway when the door is being spammed by AoE and pulls whne you have no heal/guard. When the door is down, rift/magnet pulls are fair game to BOTH pushing and defending the outer wall, and there is NO bug abuse taking place. If you die before the door goes down in a keep you should l2p, yes.

[tomato]

You can't even hit the door as meele. That's not a l2p issue.

[Renork]

Anyway, whatever Azarael and team does in regards to this issue will determine where this server is headed. IMO ALL skills that are not working as intended should be fixed, and there should not be any cherry picking going on here.

[Nanji]

And this "If you die before the door goes down in a keep you should l2p, yes."
is protection of exploiters. As Aza mentioned it before.

How about stop defending an exploit which was already called an exploit before the ability even was available?

[Renork]

And this "If you die before the door goes down in a keep you should l2p, yes."
is protection of exploiters. As Aza mentioned it before.

How about stop defending an exploit which was already called an exploit before the ability even was available?

Lolz, "Aza" said. Excellent arguments.

[Nanji]

I am still refering to my quote earlier. Which meant stop saying l2p when exploiters exploit.
Valid argument.

[Euan]

Aw, Nanji. Nice try but it's very different. You're able to jump on the squishiest of targets who is showing himself on the edge of the wall fully aware that WL might pounce him coz he is waiting 65f below the wall and deal great burst in seconds when not detaunted or dying withing seconds vs going thru the back door where you immidiately aggro mobs which can be killed within seconds while you can still stay in guardrange at the postern

fixed it for you, sounds like a real alternative, a shame nobody tries, ever... well you might need a grp for that

A WL dying within seconds of jumping in keep? Get out. I wish I had a WL so I can make a video. I'm going to hope they mirror the ability on Mara or Witch Elf then I can show you how "high risk" it is.

[RyanMakara]

The choppas AoE tree is garbage and the class is inferior to slayer

WL is inferior to marauder, you're right we should buff him.
Imagine the destru outcry.

I wouldn't buff any of them.
Btw st burst from choppa>single target burst from slayer.

Debatable, T4 in RoR here will not be the buggy T4 that it was on live with all of maras bugs on tactics fixed and WL will not be the shitty AP starved class that has to spam pounce 5 times before it finally works and even then we all know WL will be buffed come later down the line

The ST burst between the 2 is also debatable and are basically on par

but choppas AoE tree is terrible, its even worse than going up monstro spec or path of stabbin putting a 14 point pounce mirror or a glass cannon mdps is not gamebreaking if thats what your trying to make it sound like

You really do like to exaggerate the Choppa AoE path, don't you? While it's grim in comparison to the damage that Slayers can do with their AoE path without putting themselves in harm's way, I have still gotten many a kill with using GTTC/wild choppin'/wot's da rush in group play. The damage you take by pulling people in can easily be negated with snaring them first, detaunting them, then using your toughness buff, and stay near your guard and healers before chopping back again.

If you gave Choppas the ability to push themselves into even BIGGER groups of Order; having to overextend your healers and guard range before even making the slightest difference with your shitty 14 point AoE path dmg seems worse to me than reeling a few in towards you that do not even wish to be NEAR you. The reason why Pounce goes well with any White Lion spec is because it's a CORE ability. Adding a pounce to a gimped AoE tree will completely break ST Choppas; as they can't burst effectively if they have all their points spent in that horrendous AoE path.

It's all-or-nothing with the Choppa specs. Either full loltard AoE pullbot or viable self-heal/healdebuff/AP restore, or over-time bleed-them-out damage surging. Don't mix and match to fk them up like White Lions please.